NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





/ES /MES Correlation


Discussion in Emini and Emicro Index

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one matthew28 with 2 posts (3 thanks)
    2. looks_two networth with 2 posts (2 thanks)
    3. looks_3 FuManChou with 1 posts (6 thanks)
    4. looks_4 AlphaSquared with 1 posts (2 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one FuManChou with 6 thanks per post
    2. looks_two AlphaSquared with 2 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 matthew28 with 1.5 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 networth with 1 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 2,855 views
    2. thumb_up 13 thanks given
    3. group 5 followers
    1. forum 5 posts
    2. attach_file 4 attachments




 
Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)
networth
Chicago, IL
 
Posts: 2 since Apr 2021
Thanks Given: 0
Thanks Received: 2

On 5/27/21 at 8:30 am, an hour before RTH open:
  • /MES dropped to 4180
  • /ES dropped to 4186.25.

How is it that the two could be so far apart at a given time?

I only noticed this happened because my broker filled an /ES order at 87 and instantly closed at stop loss of 83, which /ES never got close to. Waiting to hear why this happened.


Reply With Quote
Thanked by:

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Post-Summit Scorecard: $36M in May 15 Bets Settle Near-Z …
Prediction Markets & Event Contracts
Day 96 Missiles Hit Kuwait and Bahrain: June 15 Peace at …
Prediction Markets & Event Contracts
Irans Answer Due Today: Peace Surges to 33.5%, Invasion …
Prediction Markets & Event Contracts
CME Expands 24/7 Trading to WTI Crude Oil and Gold -- We …
Commodities
Six Days to Kickoff: World Cup Prediction Markets Hit $1 …
Prediction Markets & Event Contracts
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
NexusFi site changelog and issues/problem reporting
8 thanks
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
1 thanks
  #2 (permalink)
 
matthew28's Avatar
 matthew28 
United Kingdom
Elite_Member
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Topstep X
Broker: Topstep Live Funded
Trading: US Equity Index Futures
Frequency: Many times daily
Duration: Minutes
Posts: 1,250 since Sep 2013
Thanks Given: 3,517
Thanks Received: 2,536

There were three lots of important news at 8:30am, personally I wouldn't have had a resting order sat in the market.


Having said that though looking at my CQG feed for ES and MES charts at 8:30am with a 1minute bar, I agree that you should have been okay for an 87 fill with an 83 stop on the ES.



"You do not win as a trader, you just get to play again the next day. If that game doesn’t appeal to you then you should not trade" - Gary Norden
Reply With Quote
  #3 (permalink)
networth
Chicago, IL
 
Posts: 2 since Apr 2021
Thanks Given: 0
Thanks Received: 2


Probably shouldn't have had an order at 87 at the time. Either way, I'm mainly curious about the /es /mes correlation now. Does /ES vary from /MES by 6.25 points often? Seems surprising they got so far out of sync.


Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #4 (permalink)
 
matthew28's Avatar
 matthew28 
United Kingdom
Elite_Member
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: Topstep X
Broker: Topstep Live Funded
Trading: US Equity Index Futures
Frequency: Many times daily
Duration: Minutes
Posts: 1,250 since Sep 2013
Thanks Given: 3,517
Thanks Received: 2,536

Compare the MES and ES charts of a typical day and price is usually within a tick, as in the 1 minute bars before and after 8:30am. The 8:30am news volatility would have been quick as the order book would have been very thin prior to the release so easy for correlations to briefly get out of line.


"You do not win as a trader, you just get to play again the next day. If that game doesn’t appeal to you then you should not trade" - Gary Norden
Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #5 (permalink)
 
FuManChou's Avatar
 FuManChou 
Saint Paul, Minnesota, United States
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: MultiCharts
Broker: Edge Clear LLC
Trading: MNQ
Frequency: Many times daily
Duration: Hours
Posts: 109 since Jun 2019
Thanks Given: 1,144
Thanks Received: 122

Here is what you were referring to. See screen image.

Platform: MultiCharts
Data: Rithmic
Resolution: 1 Tick

GREEN = ES
RED = MES


ES vs MES


Reply With Quote
  #6 (permalink)
 AlphaSquared 
Indianapolis, Indiana
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NT
Trading: ES
Posts: 22 since Jun 2014
Thanks Given: 14
Thanks Received: 10


networth View Post
On 5/27/21 at 8:30 am, an hour before RTH open:
  • /MES dropped to 4180
  • /ES dropped to 4186.25.

How is it that the two could be so far apart at a given time?

I only noticed this happened because my broker filled an /ES order at 87 and instantly closed at stop loss of 83, which /ES never got close to. Waiting to hear why this happened.

While the two contracts are always constantly arriving at the same point how they get there is going to differ due to differences in order flow and liquidity on a moment to moment basis. You can bet that incident got arb'd instantly until the prices were once again in synch and that arbing is constantly occurring to keep them so.


Reply With Quote
Thanked by:




Last Updated on June 3, 2021


© 2026 NexusFi®, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Downloads - Top
no new posts