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I have not started trading it yet but I have a goal.
To wake in Spain or Portugal, trade the euro Am session then trade the USA Am session then go get some dinner at a nice cafe. I have been researching this for about a year. ( you are right I am not a CPA)
I figured since the trading is taking place in the USA and I plan on spending some time here in the USA anyway. I would just pay the USA taxes and live overseas using credit/debt cards.
Thanks to the new USA laws it hard to open bank accounts overseas if not impossible; being an American I can't open a bank account there, how would I pay their taxes there?
LD
Can you help answer these questions from other members on NexusFi?
Apologies. My comments regarding "non CPA, unofficial" were meant to head off any "this is not official tax advice, please consult a tax professional, etc." comments, not to cast doubt on your information or credentials.
That sounds like a great plan. I have often thought of living abroad, but I'm not sure I could swing it with my familial obligations. I figured I'd cross that bridge when I can afford it. For now I'm just looking for a good, small scale, swing trading vehicle and FGBS seems to trend pretty nicely.
Good luck in your endeavors and thanks again!
Wirechild I would have to be an Elite member to open attachment and responded to PM.
Down the road I maybe but right now I am just looking around.
Nice to meet a real trader Ld
However, USA and Germany have a tax convention to avoid double taxation: See https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-trty/germany.pdf
Usually in these agreements immovable property gain are payed in the country the property is located, while movable are not, which is the case here - See chapter 13 - Section5: 5. Gains from the alienation of any property other than that referred to in the preceding paragraphs
shall be taxable only in the Contracting State of which the alienator is a resident.
Note that if you open a bank/brokerage account outside the US. You might need to fill up either or both (depending on amount of $$$$ in accounts):
- Form 8938, Statement of Specified Foreign Financial Assets https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f8938.pdf (with 1040)
- TD F 90 - 22.1 Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts TD F 90-22.1 Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts (Due in June I think)
Some other open issues that needs to be looked into:
1/ Tax withholding. Are any gain automatically withhold in Germany? If yes (see this for dividend for example Refund Of German Withholding Taxes – Good News For Foreign Investors - Tax - Germany) then might need to fill up German forms to get this money back somehow (because don't own tax in Germany).
2/ Even if don't own tax, there might be some reporting requirement (no idea there) to be done with tax man in Germany....
If anyone knows about (1) or (2), please post!
Disclaimer: I'm not a tax advisor and the above is not advice but general information on the subject.
Yeah I looked into the foreign tax credit issues along with the tax treaties. But what seems to be the crux is whether or not taxes would be due in Germany at all (which if not, would make the FTC and treaty issues moot).
Since I would be trading from a US broker, with a US account, while residing in the US, and I don't have a German taxpayer ID number, it seems there would be no German tax burden. But I haven't found any conclusive documents to support it. And the only two discussion forum posts I found on the subject (one by lawdam, and another on a different site) indicate that there would be no foreign tax obligation.
At this point it seems like the extreme lack of evidence to support the argument for a German tax burden is supportive of the argument against there being a German tax burden. Or maybe my Google-Fu is weak, and I'm missing something obvious.
@lawdam, did you ever come across any official documents or anything regarding US traders owing foreign taxes on Eurex products? Or was it more of a deductive conclusion that you came to?
Thanks!
It's late but here is a quick answer. I called my broker last year and his answer was they file a 1099-b with the IRS no one else. I would say call your broker and get it from the horses mouth.
Years ago I traded on the Canadian stock exchange, stock etc.. when a dividend got paid to my account they got their before I got mine. Then they changed the laws on oil trusts and I gave it up, they were making more money off me then I was. Hope it helps LD