bloom 

No i cant cause you dont want it. You just want to prove your point of view. This is not my interest.

I didn`t want to argue whatsoever. I`ve spent a lot of time and efforts in order to understand Order Flow. But the more I read the more questions I have and more contradiction I see in different sourses.

bloom 

I want to make it clear GUYS REAL ORDER FLOW is a hard stuff. I do not know for this moment of my OF carrier any of opened sources who teaches the OF in a correct way. The whole concept that was in the begining of this thread had changed drasticly. Tape itself is only 20-30% of order flow. The rest things are context, trade management and flow of orders. If you cant understand it, your reading will be sporadic. Sometimes it will be above 50% but never 80-100% correct. And if you want results you NEED to read 80-100% correct. Or in a long run you will fail. Thats it. The end of the game.

I guess a lot of people struggle with OF as well. Could you explain what exactly had changed and how do you use OF now?
It would be extremely helpful

Ali1440 

I guess a lot of people struggle with OF as well. Could you explain what exactly had changed and how do you use OF now? It would be extremely helpful

It would not. Telling about order flow doesnt makes you learn it. It has to be shown and to be taught.
How it changed.
1) Context added.
2) Context researched deep and wide.
3) Within context all Tape moves assigned to that context and what thy mean.
4) After step 3 you start to get data of new level of meaning and the whole new concept
5) Context RE created and tape meaning reassigned to that context
6) Researched deep and wide
7) Context 3.0 created with different groups of traders and different meanings of OF with those groups
8) Market mechanics concept created describing how why than and where disbalances occure
9) Tape meaning reassigned to that Context 3.0
10) Order Flow started to look structurized and sequential
11) Tape 2.0 created
12) Within this Tape 2.0 concept created different trading styles
13) Management concept added
14) Order flow meaning reasigned based on the management + context
and so and so and so
If you wanna you can try to do in on your own way
than i started that thread i was asking peoples to research with me. Few were participating and this ended up that i stayed on my own.
So after few years of instant improving i can say now that i mastered it almost completely and now i can produce advanced concepts.
For example

To go higher you need sellers and to go lower you need buyers. The price goes up because there enough sellers and price goes down because there enough buyers. To get more sellers you need to lure em and need to build a trap

15) Traps concept added

Traps has different scale and different stages and one trap fluently goes in to another. In this context try to read Tape or OF. Can you? Does it helped you? Not sure

Ali1440 

I didn`t want to argue whatsoever. I`ve spent a lot of time and efforts in order to understand Order Flow. But the more I read the more questions I have and more contradiction I see in different sourses.

beleive me i know than people ready to listen. Had Been in that state. You dont want to learn and listen. You holding for what you discovered

bloom 

It would not. Telling about order flow doesnt makes you learn it. It has to be shown and to be taught. How it changed. 1) Context added. 2) Context researched deep and wide. 3) Within context all Tape moves assigned to that context and what thy mean. 4) After step 3 you start to get data of new level of meaning and the whole new concept 5) Context RE created and tape meaning reassigned to that context 6) Researched deep and wide 7) Context 3.0 created with different groups of traders and different meanings of OF with those groups 8) Market mechanics concept created describing how why than and where disbalances occure 9) Tape meaning reassigned to that Context 3.0 10) Order Flow started to look structurized and sequential 11) Tape 2.0 created 12) Within this Tape 2.0 concept created different trading styles 13) Management concept added 14) Order flow meaning reasigned based on the management + context and so and so and so If you wanna you can try to do in on your own way than i started that thread i was asking peoples to research with me. Few were participating and this ended up that i stayed on my own. So after few years of instant improving i can say now that i mastered it almost completely and now i can produce advanced concepts. For example To go higher you need sellers and to go lower you need buyers. The price goes up because there enough sellers and price goes down because there enough buyers. To get more sellers you need to lure em and need to build a trap 15) Traps concept added Traps has different scale and different stages and one trap fluently goes in to another. In this context try to read Tape or OF. Can you? Does it helped you? Not sure

Actually, I didn`t discover anything yet. There are a lot of "masters" with smart faces pouring water for hours

bloom 

It would not. Telling about order flow doesnt makes you learn it. It has to be shown and to be taught. How it changed. 1) Context added. 2) Context researched deep and wide. 3) Within context all Tape moves assigned to that context and what thy mean. 4) After step 3 you start to get data of new level of meaning and the whole new concept 5) Context RE created and tape meaning reassigned to that context 6) Researched deep and wide 7) Context 3.0 created with different groups of traders and different meanings of OF with those groups 8) Market mechanics concept created describing how why than and where disbalances occure 9) Tape meaning reassigned to that Context 3.0 10) Order Flow started to look structurized and sequential 11) Tape 2.0 created 12) Within this Tape 2.0 concept created different trading styles 13) Management concept added 14) Order flow meaning reasigned based on the management + context and so and so and so If you wanna you can try to do in on your own way than i started that thread i was asking peoples to research with me. Few were participating and this ended up that i stayed on my own. So after few years of instant improving i can say now that i mastered it almost completely and now i can produce advanced concepts. For example To go higher you need sellers and to go lower you need buyers. The price goes up because there enough sellers and price goes down because there enough buyers. To get more sellers you need to lure em and need to build a trap 15) Traps concept added Traps has different scale and different stages and one trap fluently goes in to another. In this context try to read Tape or OF. Can you? Does it helped you? Not sure

I understand you regarding traps, but what exactly are you watching for? How do you determine that there is a disbalance in the market? And what do you imply by context? Price action?

Ali1440 

Actually, I didn`t discover anything yet. There are a lot of "masters" with smart faces pouring water for hours

Ok. Tough journey ahead )))

Ali1440 

I understand you regarding traps, but what exactly are you watching for? How do you determine that there is a disbalance in the market? And what do you imply by context? Price action?

I tell you. It cant be told. It had to be shown and taugh for a at least 3 months. Otherwise it is just pooring water. If OF master cant read within 1 hour 10-30 trades for you - run away

Ali1440 

I understand you regarding traps, but what exactly are you watching for? How do you determine that there is a disbalance in the market? And what do you imply by context? Price action?

Everything what is Number 2 is a trap. So you have 99% of moves of the market are actuall traps
How do i read em?
read above
Context + management + Psychology+ OF

@Ali1440 It might look like bloom is understand the topic of OF but you need to ask yourself a question. If someone can not explain the topic in simple terms would that person understand it very well or not or it might be just his/her ego is kicking in? There are many ppl in this forum who can response to your questions. It would be better if you create a new thread and start covering your questions in it. I am sure you will find ppl who will drop in and make their comments that might help you to clarify the things. Keep in mind anything and everything can be taught it is just the way information is presented to you.