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Howdy,

Are you using a stop? 10 ticks?

You inspired me to do some sim testing using a 10/10 tick on a 5 sec. NQ chart. I was a little surprised not getting stopped out very often. Of course that was on a sim. I do like the short duration trades.

I tried multiple times trading the MES with tight stops, but to no avail. Used a 233 tick chart. This went better on the NQ. My challenge would be to not fall prey to my tendency of looking for a trade under every rock.

Thanks for a your reply!

Hello - Yes, I use stops - more of a catastrophic stop i.e. 25-50 ticks. I manage the trades myself - if it's bad, it's bad, I get out. With a 10 tick PT, you have to have a high win number because the losses can add up. The order flow numbers tell the story - when it reverses, which the NQ does very fast, get out.


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Hello - Yes, I use stops - more of a catastrophic stop i.e. 25-50 ticks. I manage the trades myself - if it's bad, it's bad, I get out. With a 10 tick PT, you have to have a high win number because the losses can add up. The order flow numbers tell the story - when it reverses, which the NQ does very fast, get out.

Thanks for your response. Nothing is bad if it works. The whole point is to bank the green. Thanks for posting those trades!


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Anyone knows that order flow is something that falls more into discretionary trading. Those who usually prefer a discretionary approach could adapt better.
Taking into consideration the context of an already known asset is more than fundamental.
For a novice to mechanically trade simple buy/sell imbalances could be dangerous and frustrating. It is super easy to be misled and overstimulated by all the many "big green/red numbers" that flow constantly.


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Yes Order Flow works for me if I filter out the noise.


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New micros(MES) trader here. I finished No bushtit trading course and of course it peaked my interest into Order Flow. The problem is I am on Tradestation(plus I have Tradingview) and I dont want to switch to another platform(spend more money).
It appears that no free order flow tools exist on Tradestation and Tradingview? Any other alternatives to supplement charts trading(I base my trading on al Brooks course)?
Is it even worth it for micros trader(mostly scalping?

Why one of the top brokers(Tradestation) would completely ignore Order Flow?


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I've tried to find trading platforms that offer volume profile and cumulative delta for free.

Think or Swim has a volume profile. No Delta, tho.

Tradeovate and Multicharts.net have both for free. But you have to open a brokerage account with them (Amp for multicharts).

Order flow is a big part of my trading. It's kind of like looking behind the curtain at what's really going on. That said, I try to keep it simple with order flow, mostly just using cumulative delta to confirm price support/resistance levels (basic technical analysis and Volume Profile) as price moves away in one direction.

I currently use NT8 with the order flow suite. Paid $1300 for it.


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stumbras View Post
New micros(MES) trader here. I finished No bushtit trading course and of course it peaked my interest into Order Flow. The problem is I am on Tradestation(plus I have Tradingview) and I dont want to switch to another platform(spend more money).
It appears that no free order flow tools exist on Tradestation and Tradingview? Any other alternatives to supplement charts trading(I base my trading on al Brooks course)?
Is it even worth it for micros trader(mostly scalping?

Why one of the top brokers(Tradestation) would completely ignore Order Flow?

How would you review no bs course? Did you buy beginner and intermediate as well? Is it up to date?

I was thinking Ill buy it

And Im trading MES. Scalping is not really worth it in micros. But im learning. As soon as I will be constantly profitable Ill switch to mini. Scalping is nice but still run a bigger winner is nicer


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 stumbras 
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How would you review no bs course? Did you buy beginner and intermediate as well? Is it up to date?

I was thinking Ill buy it

And Im trading MES. Scalping is not really worth it in micros. But im learning. As soon as I will be constantly profitable Ill switch to mini. Scalping is nice but still run a bigger winner is nicer

I seems OK but he is trading Bonds futures and it works not the same like MES. Also, the course is dated, most material done in 2016(?) and many order flow tools available now are not described.


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I seems OK but he is trading Bonds futures and it works not the same like MES. Also, the course is dated, most material done in 2016(?) and many order flow tools available now are not described.

Ah oki. Thanks!


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