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I'll do you one better...Where did I say that "we(futures.io) has a pattern of behavior of censorship without fairness"?



But you and your mod are doing a good job of derailing the thread.



Saying it's double standard and nothing new.

I'm assuming you don't actually have links to prove your opinion, so this will be my last post on the subject.

If you do, then use the report feature and I'll be happy to review the post as well as the initial time you reported it, to make certain we act evenhanded and consistently.

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I'll do you one better...Where did I say that "we(futures.io) has a pattern of behavior of censorship without fairness"?

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Seems like most every time the price action Log jams up against my position and eventually breaks the opposite way aggressively no matter the market conditions or contract.

Am I just off?

Yes, you are just off. End of story. I read your other posts here, and you are truly so far off of what is important in order to have some measure of success, that it can't be overstated.

Even the way you wrote the above shows that you don't really understand things well, at least not well enough to communicate it. For example, what does "every time the price action Log jams up against my position" actually mean? Think about what you're trying to convey, think about how someone reading it would interpret it, and try to express it again, if you want readers to understand.

If you're trying to say "every time I get in, the market goes against me," then, welcome to trading. There is no "minor league" here. You are a very green, uninformed, small fish, in a huge ocean of whales. Try trading on a simulator, where you are truly invisible to the market, and you will observe the same thing.

The market is a just a big game. The uninformed, weakest players will tend to exhibit the same behaviors, for the same reasons. For example, a market goes up, up, up, straight up. They have all been taught to look for pullbacks and most find it nearly impossible to buy into a market like this. So, when the market starts pulling back, they all start buying. Because they all start buying, these predictably weak hands put their stops in predictable places, and the sophisticated players know this, so they don't lump themselves in with them, but rather, sell into their liquidity and ride it down. See S&P yesterday from 10:48am to 11:11am. Called it at the time. Why? Because I'm not a green rookie any longer, and I myself have been suckered in and lost money countless times over many many years doing just that. I then learned to not do it, and because of my mistakes, I'm now better than I was. It can't work any other way. Pain is necessary for growth, especially in this game. Accept that or just walk away.

I wish there was a minor league, but there's not, only the majors. Market volume is 80% algorithmic in origin, absolutely true, but you don't even know what "the algos" do. You have so little foundation that to even think about it right now is holding you back. You can focus on meaningless stuff like this, or you can focus on one thing: how to win the game. Where do you have some edge in the market? How can you view things in order to shift probabilities in your favor? Who is on the other side of your trade? Who is positioned poorly? In a way, you actually have an edge: what you're doing isn't working, so what would happen if you did the opposite of what you're doing? That in itself is an edge. I hang out in a discord room, and actually pay attention to what the bad traders are saying, and they're always vocal. If they're pissed and looking for a reversal, chances are it'll keep going. They have a loser's mentality, and it affects how they view the market. You do too right now. I'm not calling *you* a loser, I'm saying that your mentality is not a winning one.

It doesn't matter how long you've been watching markets or trading. It doesn't matter how much you think you know, or how much you really know. When you're focused on what you're focused on, you won't win. It's your choice about whether to change that or not. About 90% simply find all the internal changes too painful to deal with.

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Yes, you are just off. End of story. I read your other posts here, and you are truly so far off of what is important in order to have some measure of success, that it can't be overstated.

Even the way you wrote the above shows that you don't really understand things well, at least not well enough to communicate it. For example, what does "every time the price action Log jams up against my position" actually mean? Think about what you're trying to convey, think about how someone reading it would interpret it, and try to express it again, if you want readers to understand.

If you're trying to say "every time I get in, the market goes against me," then, welcome to trading. There is no "minor league" here. You are a very green, uninformed, small fish, in a huge ocean of whales. Try trading on a simulator, where you are truly invisible to the market, and you will observe the same thing.

The market is a just a big game. The uninformed, weakest players will tend to exhibit the same behaviors, for the same reasons. For example, a market goes up, up, up, straight up. They have all been taught to look for pullbacks and most find it nearly impossible to buy into a market like this. So, when the market starts pulling back, they all start buying. Because they all start buying, these predictably weak hands put their stops in predictable places, and the sophisticated players know this, so they don't lump themselves in with them, but rather, sell into their liquidity and ride it down. See S&P yesterday from 10:48am to 11:11am. Called it at the time. Why? Because I'm not a green rookie any longer, and I myself have been suckered in and lost money countless times over many many years doing just that. I then learned to not do it, and because of my mistakes, I'm now better than I was. It can't work any other way. Pain is necessary for growth, especially in this game. Accept that or just walk away.

I wish there was a minor league, but there's not, only the majors. Market volume is 80% algorithmic in origin, absolutely true, but you don't even know what "the algos" do. You have so little foundation that to even think about it right now is holding you back. You can focus on meaningless stuff like this, or you can focus on one thing: how to win the game. Where do you have some edge in the market? How can you view things in order to shift probabilities in your favor? Who is on the other side of your trade? Who is positioned poorly? In a way, you actually have an edge: what you're doing isn't working, so what would happen if you did the opposite of what you're doing? That in itself is an edge. I hang out in a discord room, and actually pay attention to what the bad traders are saying, and they're always vocal. If they're pissed and looking for a reversal, chances are it'll keep going. They have a loser's mentality, and it affects how they view the market. You do too right now. I'm not calling *you* a loser, I'm saying that your mentality is not a winning one.

It doesn't matter how long you've been watching markets or trading. It doesn't matter how much you think you know, or how much you really know. When you're focused on what you're focused on, you won't win. It's your choice about whether to change that or not. About 90% simply find all the internal changes too painful to deal with.



There's a lot of generalization in your comment that I skimmed through.

You can disagree, that's no sweat off my back as I'm not here to garner likes and subs. Just here to share my knowledge.

This is something that I've tested with a live account for a long time. I've tested my thesis with different utensils and different brokerages and it exists in all the markets, with commodities in particular. Each trading vehicle does have its own characteristics. I've only divulged only a small amount of what I know and even then there's more to be learned, but just isn't something readily available to the public. This is something if you understand will add if you have edge, but trading will still be hard.

If anyone's inclined, go see things for yourself with an open and objective mindset of a sharp trader. If you think it's a bunch of market boogey man BS then that's fine as too.

A prudent man deals with knowledge.

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Seems like most every time the price action Log jams up against my position and eventually breaks the opposite way aggressively no matter the market conditions or contract.



Am I just off?

This was you 3 days ago, but now you are here to share your knowledge?

Bro, c'mon. @josh wrote a great reply and you only "skim" it.

I would bet you also blame everything and everyone but yourself for your trading losses, it seems like you don't do well with accountability. That's a very bad personality trait to have as a trader.

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Right here



It says

Reading comprehension needs some work with maybe.

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Saying it's double standard and nothing new.

I'm assuming you don't actually have links to prove your opinion, so this will be my last post on the subject.

If you do, then use the report feature and I'll be happy to review the post as well as the initial time you reported it, to make certain we act evenhanded and consistently.

Mike

Again, you've done enough. Its people like you that make trading social media a dumpster fire. I've seen it again and again here over the years. It's amazing how many times you personally get involved.

Perfectly good discussions just turn sour when you and your sycophants become dillusional in your own self righteousness.

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The market is a just a big game. The uninformed, weakest players will tend to exhibit the same behaviors, for the same reasons. For example, a market goes up, up, up, straight up. They have all been taught to look for pullbacks and most find it nearly impossible to buy into a market like this. So, when the market starts pulling back, they all start buying. Because they all start buying, these predictably weak hands put their stops in predictable places, and the sophisticated players know this, so they don't lump themselves in with them, but rather, sell into their liquidity and ride it down. See S&P yesterday from 10:48am to 11:11am. Called it at the time. Why? Because I'm not a green rookie any longer, and I myself have been suckered in and lost money countless times over many many years doing just that. I then learned to not do it, and because of my mistakes, I'm now better than I was. It can't work any other way. Pain is necessary for growth, especially in this game. Accept that or just walk away.

I wish there was a minor league, but there's not, only the majors. Market volume is 80% algorithmic in origin, absolutely true, but you don't even know what "the algos" do. You have so little foundation that to even think about it right now is holding you back. You can focus on meaningless stuff like this, or you can focus on one thing: how to win the game. Where do you have some edge in the market? How can you view things in order to shift probabilities in your favor? Who is on the other side of your trade? Who is positioned poorly? In a way, you actually have an edge: what you're doing isn't working, so what would happen if you did the opposite of what you're doing? That in itself is an edge. I hang out in a discord room, and actually pay attention to what the bad traders are saying, and they're always vocal. If they're pissed and looking for a reversal, chances are it'll keep going. They have a loser's mentality, and it affects how they view the market. You do too right now. I'm not calling *you* a loser, I'm saying that your mentality is not a winning one.

A nugget in all that negativity, thanks josh!

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what would happen if you did the opposite of what you're doing?

"Doing the opposite" is a difficult concept in trading, because often it is about timing and leverage rather than direction.

There is no opposite of 2PM - just a different time.
There is no opposite of 50% position size - just a different size.

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