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Not adding to the particular conversation, I just wanted to state that I, still, very much think of futures.io (formerly BMT) as one of the - if not the single most friendly and open community I've witnessed over the years - not only in trading but across many many topics.
Yes, there are hiccups every now and again and yes, sometimes, people get overly rude for no apparent reason. But @Big Mike does his best to preserve the friendly tone that so much defines this forum, even against people who he thinks highly of, maybe even looks up to (we all know how hat THAT is!) and yes, he might get it wrong sometimes, too - we're human after all!
I like being on futures.io (formerly BMT). It's a good place, not perfect but that's what makes it human.
Now let's get back to what matters: CHARTS CHARTS CHARTS!!
I assume, that josh had hopefully good intentions, but it apparently appeared very, very different to the other guys. But they could help themselves as to be seen in the posts thereafter. That´s not fine, but shit happens sometimes and there are really bigger problems in the world.
What makes me feel so actually "sad" is this part of your reply:
"But that said, I just wanted to say that some of the follow-up replies from you guys are not welcome here on futures.io (formerly BMT)"
...not welcome here on futures.io (formerly BMT)...i mean, who offended and who defended? Maybe it´s a native language problem, that i´ve got it wrong, but who should calm down , josh or the people being adressed by him in an totally improper judgement being allegedly lazy and stubbern? (even no one has been adressed personally)
It´s not anyone, who said, that, but you, the "ruler of the ring" the boss himself, who created the forum rules and being respected by everyone. This must have gone deep in the ass of the people, who doesn´t post anymore.
I´m very sure, that was never your intention and yes, maybe i´ve got it wrong. But if i got it wrong, maybe other could got it wrong, too.
That´s the situation. I don´t have a solution. I couldn´t go on posting as normal without naming that. I don´t want to offend anyone. I just hope, that my "2 cents" help to clear up the situation, why people are wondering, that that thread isn´t breathing anymore.
Unfortunately, I think that egos get involved on all sides when anyone is criticizing anyone else. It is important to walk softly and with consideration, and with an awareness that one's own ego is inevitably involved, whether receiving or delivering the critique.
Things get out of hand very easily, when there is no face-to-face communication, where a tone of voice or an expression can be read and quickly understood and responded to.
So, while I think Terry is basically right about leaving your ego out of your trading, it does get mixed up with any communication on the faceless internet, going in either direction. So we need to step back and let these things deescalate.
Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately, I don't really understand.
You said the part of my reply that was most offensive was where I said the follow-up responses where upsetting to me.
From my point of view, @josh made an error with his off handed remark (first sentence of his post), which I addressed in my reply. But like I also said, I believe you have to really try and look at his participation on futures.io (formerly BMT) as a whole and not judge him for one sentence of one post.
But when I read some of the follow-ups, it's just people piling on with negativity. All because @josh said that trendlines don't move the market?
At the core of the issue is people's emotional involvement with their trading philosophy, which has been brought up by others here.
I have been emotionally involved with my trading methods as well. And I've changed them drastically over the last many years, to what I believe is a continuing evolution of my understanding of the market. What I believed in several years ago I have sense come to learn was utter crap. I try to pass on my experiences to others, and I happen to agree with what @josh said. But I also ended my reply with the comment that if you are making money, then don't let it bother you.
What I meant by that is the vast majority of traders fail, as in - lose money. And it is those that I am trying to help the most, because it is those that need the most help. So for anyone that is following any methodology and they are losing money, then they need to examine not just themselves (psychology) but also the method to see if the method itself makes sense or if it is even possible to execute on the method.
What I have learned with direct experience in my own trading is that you can have a flawed methodology yet still be a profitable trader. But it isn't easy, and it comes down to being good with your understanding of the market despite the method not because of the method.
People say I caused that thread to end, but I would like to consider for a moment that perhaps people re-evaluated their success with the method, and decided to not pursue it further?
And if I am wrong, and the method is in fact what best describes the market, then who cares what I say? Just keep trading it and keep making money.
Again thanks for your reply. I do believe the core issue is emotional attachment to ones trading beliefs.
I stop posting that day also and I will tell you why. First of all I don't like to have conflict involved with trading its hard enough as it is to trade. I enjoyed that thread and the people I posted with they helped me a lot so I like to give back if I can. I started a new thread to trade the YM and other markets plus the ES at times. I can take the ES off if you think its causing a conflict. Maybe some of the people are like me they just won't say anything and hit the road and the thread is dead.
Reasons I didn't speak up on the last thread.
1. Its trendwaves thread if he wants to stop someone from posting I guess he could its not my place.
2. I don't want to get kicked out of futures.io (formerly BMT), I like it here and have learned a lot plus a $100.00 is $100.00. Why make you made if you agree with a poster.
(a) It is better to use existing threads than create new duplicate threads for existing topics.
Please explain why so I will understand.
(b) The original thread has been viewed as "dying" or "coming to an end abruptly" because a few people are upset about some things that transpired.
It did almost stop and a lot of people are gone. If I have a problem on this thread can't I stop it?
PS. Treat others the way you want to be treated we will all get along on any thread or any style of trading. God intended it that way!
Today I posted on the old PATs thread. @Malthus and @Noelgarc posted on the thread. Yesterday @lasecondababele posted on the thread, and has been doing so for a while.
My suggestion: not to let being upset by something that happened in the past, and that likely had a fair amount of mutual misunderstanding mixed up in it, stop everyone who likes this kind of chart work and trading from posting their work and sharing their ideas.
I will post at least something every day in that thread, even if I am the only one in the world who does, until it revives, with either new or old participants, or until I leave futures.io (formerly BMT) (as, no doubt, a multi-millionaire .)
Anyone else who likes this kind of thing is very welcome to join in.
I don't even trade on the short timeframes of PATs, nor use only Mack's method or his version of price action. But it has helped me, and I want to do something in return for anyone who also sees value in it.
Thanks to Mike for dissecting the thread, having joined recently I could feel something ominous lurking beneath the surface but hand't had the time to go back and find out what it was.
This. Bang on.
Having fresh eyes to look at this, it seems this has all been blown out of proportion.
I'm learning a lot from all of the traders involved, independently from their propensity to divulge or welcome theories, independently from the personality behind the message.
If we're voting on this, I'd rather have the old thread resuscitated, simply for ease of access to previous material.
Hopefully it will be but a blip on a much longer thread.