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This is purely anecdotal and not backed by data. The crime rates in U.S. are comparable to most developed countries. For example, it's lower than Finland in many cases:
Assault
USA - 249 per 100,000
Finland - 597 per 100,000
Property theft and robbery
USA - 2,362 per 100,000
Finland - 2,226 per 100,000
What's different is that the rate of lethal homicide is drastically higher in the U.S. than all of these other countries, of which the weapon of choice in these reported homicides is predominantly a gun.
This cannot be explained by any of the factors that you cited above, even if your claims were true. A person who has received a pardon isn't particularly more inclined to lethal homicide; undocumented immigrants aren't particularly more inclined to lethal homicide. (I don't know about others, but if I were trying to illegally immigrate into a country, I'd do a lot more to draw less attention to myself.)
But this can be explained by the fact that it is a lot more difficult to overpower a whole school with a kitchen knife than an assault rifle. The occasional person who goes crazy in a Japanese traffic crossing (denser than a school), brandishes a huge knife, only manages to take down 1 or 2 persons before getting subdued.
You do Know that automatic assault rifles have been illegal in the US since the 80's. Assault rifle is just a scary word. There are many guns as lethal and not considered an assault.
Hey I go an idea? Cars kill $30,000 a year in the US. Lets take fast cars away.
Automatic weapons (machine guns, select fire, whatever you want to call them) are not illegal in this country. It is illegal for a civilian to own one that was manufactured after May 1986. This has of course drastically reduced the available supply, also drastically increasing their value. For this reason, machine guns are considered by some to be excellent investments.
unless you get a manufacturing license and then can make what ever you want. but again this is in dept and most people would rather dremmel off the parts then go to this extent.
-P
"Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie"-Miyamoto Musashi
Gun violence is a problem in the US, compared to other western democracies ,
Semiautomatic rifles have been used in some of the country’s deadliest shootings, such as those in Newtown, Orlando, San Bernardino and Las Vegas. The AR-15, a lightweight, customizable version of the military’s M16, soared in popularity after a 10-year federal ban on assault weapons expired in 2004. Some of the Las Vegas shooter’s guns had been fitted with legal devices called “bump-fire stocks,” which allow semiautomatic rifles to fire as quickly as automatic ones.
sorry but I feel get over it, the weapon of choice is an inanimate object. It's lifeless requires a human to make it do what it is capable of. Sad yes but true it is the human part that needs addressing. People all over the globe utilize the "killing power" of said weapons to provide food and security for their families.
Why punish everyone for owning a firearm.
Banning guns is a long term investment. It will take 50-100 years before there is a significant change. Firstly because you need to get the guns out of circulation, which will take a long time, and secondly a few generations need to grow up without guns as the norm. People are always going to kill each other, but the object is for it to happen less.
It is a complex issue with a lot of factors which should all be worked on. I'm guessing a large portion of the US school killings are a result of bullying & depression. That in itself is a complex issue to resolve.
No one is naive enough to say remove guns and the problem suddenly disappears. But removing guns is a logical first step.
Both of you are absolutely right. The person is the problem. The same goes for pedophiles, rapists, and drug dealers.
Your position is entirely valid. From an individualistic moral interpretation, FBI has no right to be seizing sites that serve adult pornography if they just happen to have some child pornography that someone else put up there. You are a legal, licensed consumer of adult pornography, you don't go around middle schools armed with child pornography, and you keep your pornography stash locked in safe. You only take your adult pornography out when you go out in the woods to go hunting. And the First Amendment protects your right of sexual expression. Why should you be deprived of your legal, adult pornography on your favorite site just because some crazy pedophile messes it up for all of us? You may argue that we should just treat the pedophile and leave the child pornography alone.
Unfortunately, the world doesn't work that way. There's no foolproof way to detect or psychiatrically treat a pedophile in the making. What we do is to outlaw date rape drugs and seize sites that serve child pornography. All of these are inanimate objects that facilitate the crime.
This line of argument is basically a strawman fallacy, which is when you construct a weaker version of your opponent's argument in order to then disprove it. In this case the weaker argument is that "guns kill people" all by themselves. No one actually believes that or argues that. Even the most committed gun control advocate acknowledges that firing a gun takes human intervention. The stronger argument being concealed by the strawman is "people with guns kill more people than do people without guns."
