Coronavirus Deaths vs Other Epidemics From Day of First Death (Since 2000) [OC]

Insanity:

Headline in WaPo: Trump administration pushing to reopen much of the U.S. next month

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/trump-reopen-us-economy/2020/04/09/10d42b4a-7a7b-11ea-9bee-c5bf9d2e3288_story.html

I don't really expect this to happen, but who knows?

To be clear, I don't think that this idea is insane because I know that May 1 will be too early. I think it probably would be, but I don't know. I think it is insane because the administration doesn't know either, but some in the administration want to barrel ahead without knowing, anyway.

In 1918, cities that jumped ahead in easing restrictions too early had terrible results as the virus rebounded strongly, and were worse off economically speaking than those that did not, so the additional loss of life was for nothing.

Getting itchy is not a good reason to do anything during this crisis.

Hopefully, this will be a medical decision and not a political one, and will be done -- hopefully gradually, perhaps in phases -- when it is medically appropriate to do it. I really hope so.

Bob.

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Edit: although it started slowly and late, at some point science did begin to prevail over politics in the government's response (without talking about any of the issues that have arisen), and I believe that is why things have not been way, way worse. So I hope it will work out that way again.

You've got to hope for something....

"Someone infected by the coronavirus, can cough and walk away, but then leave behind extremely small aerosol particles carrying the coronavirus. These particles could then end up in the respiratory tract of others in the vicinity", Aalto University Assistant Professor Ville Vuorinen said.

They said the study proves the importance of washing hands and wearing face masks in public places because the virus can linger in the air attached to fine droplet particles.

(Gosh wow only 3 months late!! How many have died because you couldn't use your brain? How many front-line workers have died because of the unnecessary infections because masks weren't recommended from day one?)

Last month, a new report outlined how the virus could stay in the air for at least 30 minutes and travel up to 14 feet.
https://www.zerohedge.com/health/coronavirus-can-stay-air-30-minutes-travel-twice-safe-distance-according-study




The length of time it lasts on the surface depends on factors such as temperature and the type of surface, for example at around 37C (98F), it can survive for two to three days on glass, fabric, metal, plastic or paper.



Their work was based on a local outbreak case on January 22 during the peak Lunar New Year travel season. A passenger, known as “A”, boarded a fully booked long-distance coach and settled down on the second row from the back.

The passenger already felt sick at that point but it was before China had declared the coronavirus outbreak a national crisis, so “A” did not wear a mask, nor did most of the other passengers or the driver on the 48-seat bus. -SCMP


Hu said the patient, who was not wearing a mask, was likely to have inhaled aerosols, or tiny particles, breathed out by the infected passengers from the previous group.

Aerosols are light-weighted particles that are formed from tiny droplets of bodily fluids

(NOTICE common sense - this rider is wearing swim goggles. How many front line workers are not using their common sense and doing the same??)

I wonder if they will ever get around to
1. Everyone wear a mask
2. put air sterilzing machines in the workplaces
get people back to work
3. stop ideas about hi-tech tracking.

this is getting really dangerous - how they are using their Plan-demic to push total population control, movement control, cash control. We NEED to get back to the constitution.

People died in the revolutionary War of Independence to found the USA. It is supposed to have the right to bear arms - sufficient to overthrow a despot totalitarian govt., free speech, assembly, freedom of religion,

So could have been a severe flu (bio-engineered yes so not regular), but with
1. Everyone wearing a mask/face covering - right at the start
2. put air sterilzing machines in the workplaces

It did not need to be as stupid and foolish as this has become - with media govt fuel mass terror.

Breaking the supply chains is very serious.
13million govt mandated out of work and soon to be homeless is bad shit.

This whole thing reeks of govt/deep-state worldwide control endgame.

April 10, 2020

does someone know if this (A & B)is true ?
video 4 April,2020

A. only 3 people on the US navy medical ship

B.
1:36
she went down on her bicycle and filmed Bellevue and Beth Israel, nobody there, emergency rooms empty, nobody is standing in line, nothing going on, the only thing dying at these hospitals was the cash flow.

'2:20
we've had a Plan-demenic every other year 2004, 2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016, 2018 and now 2020 its a remarkable co-incidence.

well Covid-19 wont go anywere it is impossible to kill of so We need to protect the elderly and do some exercise and loose some weight my self included.

Terrible data for USA

I'm not saying this is true or false just posting for your consideration.

DavidHP 

I'm not saying this is true or false just posting for your consideration.

He seems to be saying that the COVID stats are being faked by using ordinary seasonal flu death numbers. Sort of explaining the existence of the virus away.

I definitely don't want to get into those weeds. Something is killing people all over the world. This pretty much settles the question.

Just saying....

Bob.

On the treatment front, https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/04/10/gileads-experimental-drug-remdesivir-shows-hopeful-signs-small-group-coronavirus-patients/

Quoting 

A majority of a small group of patients showed improvements after being treated with an experimental coronavirus drug made by Gilead Sciences, bolstering hopes for finding a treatment for the disease, according to a study published in the New England Journal of Medicine on Friday. The group of patients received the antiviral drug remdesivir as part of a “compassionate use'' trial, not a double-blind, placebo-controlled trial that would offer more definitive evidence. Also, the cohort of patients was small, only 53 patients in the United States and around the world. Those limiting factors prevent scientists from declaring that the drug works. Still, the improvements offered positive news about a drug seen by global health authorities as offering the best shot at becoming a treatment for the disease. Thirty-six patients out of 53 — or about two-thirds — showed improvement in oxygen support, trial authors said. Seventeen of 30 patients who were on ventilators were able to be taken off the life-support machines. “We cannot draw definitive conclusions from these data, but the observations from this group of hospitalized patients who received remdesivir are hopeful,” said Jonathan D. Grein, Hospital Epidemiology director at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles, and lead author of the journal article. “We look forward to the results of controlled clinical trials to potentially validate these findings.” While 68 percent of the patients showed improvement in the level of oxygen support they needed, 13 percent died, the NEJM study said. That 13 percent compares favorably to mortality rates of 17 to 78 percent in China among severely ill patients, the authors wrote.

There still needs to be a controlled trial, which will be getting under way, apparently soon:

Quoting 

“It’s still a promising drug, but it doesn’t definitively prove anything,” said Paul Goepfert, an infectious disease specialist at the University of Alabama at Birmingham who was not involved in the study but is enrolling patients locally in a 600-patient placebo-controlled clinical trial of remdesivir sponsored by the National Institutes of Health. “The main thing you can gather from this study is it doesn’t cause any untoward harm.”

The full article is worth reading.

It is not a known cure, and may never be. But this is how things are found out. There are a number of controlled trials, planned or actual, for a number of potential medications. Something will probably pan out.

Bob.