NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Why are we always trading the wrong side?


Discussion in Psychology and Money Management

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one Sandpaddict with 11 posts (16 thanks)
    2. looks_two Always A Loser with 9 posts (5 thanks)
    3. looks_3 Cutloss with 8 posts (12 thanks)
    4. looks_4 kevinkdog with 7 posts (19 thanks)
      Best Posters
    1. looks_one bobwest with 4.5 thanks per post
    2. looks_two MNSTrading with 3.7 thanks per post
    3. looks_3 kevinkdog with 2.7 thanks per post
    4. looks_4 Sandpaddict with 1.5 thanks per post
    1. trending_up 18,176 views
    2. thumb_up 210 thanks given
    3. group 40 followers
    1. forum 91 posts
    2. attach_file 4 attachments




 
Search this Thread

Why are we always trading the wrong side?

(login for full post details)
  #91 (permalink)
jonnietyler
Fort Pierce, FL
 
Posts: 5 since Dec 2022
Thanks Given: 3
Thanks Received: 5

Thanks for being so open with us about your trading. Not many people admit what has happened with their accounts.

I'm reading between the lines here, but it sounds to me like your problem is twofold: discipline and Psychology.

I would IMAGINE that you're doing things (like reversing a losing trade etc) that you were not taught and have not extensively tested. Rather, these actions seem to stem from whatever frustration you're feeling. So, if I'm correct, your lack of discipline puts you into bad trades and ultimately affects your mentality because you're taking bad trades and then wondering why "nothing works".

I think you need to stop drop and roll, 'cause you're on fire--in a bad way. First, take a cold hard look at yourself and decide if you really WANT to continue trading. If you want to stay, go back to demo for at least 6 months (not this "cumulative" 1.5 years nonsense--a solid six months of practice, alteration, and experimentation) to REALLY iron out your strategy and understand EXACTLY what your parameters for a trade look like. From there, follow your system and take emotion out of the equation. If it worked in six months of demo, it probably works irl. So put on trades and accept whatever outcome you arrive at.

Get well soon my friend.

Reply With Quote
The following 2 users say Thank You to jonnietyler for this post:

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Futures Close-Out Policy
Commodities
NT7 Indicator Script Troubleshooting - Camarilla Pivots
NinjaTrader
The space time continuum and the dynamics of a financial …
Emini and Emicro Index
ZombieSqueeze
Platforms and Indicators
Request for MACD with option to use different MAs for fa …
NinjaTrader
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
Just another trading journal: PA, Wyckoff & Trends
33 thanks
Daytrading ES & NQ
32 thanks
Spoo-nalysis ES e-mini futures S&P 500
28 thanks
Battlestations: Show us your trading desks!
24 thanks
Deaddogs Stock Trading
20 thanks

(login for full post details)
  #92 (permalink)
 Hiccup 
Denver CO/United States
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader, Tradier
Trading: Equity and index options, Futures
Posts: 18 since Apr 2015
Thanks Given: 99
Thanks Received: 27

@Always A Loser
"This is my first post on this forum. Despite what I am about to write below, I am here seeking help, trying to understand why I'm such a complete failure."

OK, I truly feel your pain so I hope my input doesn't come off as harsh.

@Pariah Carey might be right, but .... IF you decide to reach within and find your own reasons to keep fighting until you finally win, here's a couple of suggestions:

1) If you keep doing what you're doing, you'll keep getting what you're getting. You MUST blow-up your current trading method, or you're doomed. Change Something.

2) Your problem is you think 1) that intelligence is all it takes to trade, and 2) 1.5 years is enough to master trading, i.e. become consistently profitable. No, and No. Trading is an intensely emotional activity, and intelligence and creativity can actually get in the way, at least at first. Moreover, the market is extremely complex, variable, and thus deceptive; it takes several years to even truly understand the problem, much less arrive at a solution; you must accept that, then figure out how to survive until you attain even a modest edge, e.g paper-trade more, and maybe live-trade smaller, eg if you currently trade a 1-lot mini, change to 1-lot micro. Only scale-up once things start clicking. I've been trading for 10 years, with 2 degrees, one in Finance and the other in Computer Science (ergo, an 'intelligent person'). It was 8 years before I really started getting what was going on in the derivatives and futures markets, especially as regards the charts and methods I was trying to trade.

3) If you decide to stick with your current method and mentor, then consider this: "If you what what they've got, then do what they do". As a student, your job is to slavishly copy your teacher, and NOT deviate from their method until you can reproduce their results. After that, feel free to tinker since you are operating out of a base of competence. Go back and (paper)trade beside your mentor for several sessions; strive to enter/exit EXACTLY when and where he does, then compare his results with yours ... if he's so profitable, then you should be too, right? Rinse and repeat until his behaviors are burned into your own neurons; become his clone. If you're still not profitable, maybe find a new guru or method?

4) Most importantly, I don't think you understand why your stop-orders keep getting picked-off, only to have the market then go the way you anticipated without you along for the ride. The following link is to a 12-minute video that will open your eyes to what is actually happening ... these concepts are Solid Gold:


5) Last, DO change your screen-name. How about 'DieHard'? Become one.

Reply With Quote
The following 4 users say Thank You to Hiccup for this post:





Last Updated on March 20, 2023


© 2024 NexusFi™, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Privacy Policy - Downloads - Top
no new posts