NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





TT's Avg Entry Price issue


Discussion in Brokers

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one Sawtooth with 7 posts (5 thanks)
    2. looks_two Big Mike with 4 posts (2 thanks)
    3. looks_3 Poocher with 3 posts (0 thanks)
    4. looks_4 Dale Box with 1 posts (0 thanks)
    1. trending_up 7,469 views
    2. thumb_up 7 thanks given
    3. group 3 followers
    1. forum 15 posts
    2. attach_file 0 attachments




 
Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)
 Sawtooth 
Prescott AZ USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SierraChart
Broker: EdgeClear, FCM:Phillip, Data:Denali, Routing:Teton
Trading: YM RTY ES NQ
Posts: 480 since Nov 2009
Thanks Given: 222
Thanks Received: 608

Has anyone noticed an issue with TT's average entry price? It seems that for about a week now TT uses the average of all the day's same-direction entry prices for the current trade's average entry price. This can be real scary as you see your open P/L in the red by several thousand dollars. When the trade is flat, everything is accurate.

I use Velocity Futures and Sierra Charts and this showed up with a huge difference between the Internal and Actual values on the Trade Window. The Internal fields are calculated by Sierra, but the entry price in the Actual field is from the TT feed. (The Actual P/L is calculated by SC based on the Actual from TT).

I also noticed that Velocity's Customer Portal reported the same discrepancy. And apparently it is also affecting X-Trader users. Here's a thread on Sierra's forum about this:
Internal vs Actual issue - Sierra Chart

If TT has a issue then it seems other brokers who supply their data would also be affected.


Started this thread Reply With Quote
Thanked by:

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Iran Forward Curve: June 30 at 56% vs June 15 at 28% -- …
Prediction Markets & Event Contracts
CFTC Approves First US Bitcoin Perpetual Futures -- Kals …
Traders Hideout
CFTC Opens First COT Report Review in 20 Years -- Asks W …
Traders Hideout
US Prop Firms Race Inside the CFTC Perimeter -- Tradeify …
Funded Trading Evaluation Firms
UCL Final Kicks Off at Noon ET: PSG at 56.5% as Iran May …
Prediction Markets & Event Contracts
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
NexusFi site changelog and issues/problem reporting
8 thanks
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
1 thanks
  #3 (permalink)
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 Big Mike 
Manta, Ecuador
Site Administrator
Developer
Swing Trader
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Custom solution
Broker: IBKR
Trading: Stocks & Futures
Frequency: Every few days
Duration: Weeks
Posts: 50,669 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 33,669
Thanks Received: 102,577


Thanks for posting. I noticed this too!

It has been driving me a bit insane, trying to figure out what is going on.

On a side note, do you concur that Velocity's portal is reporting PnL based on FIFO and not based on the 'actual' orders being executed via the SC DOM? For example, if my first lot is long at 1.4000 and then I take my fifth lot off for what should be +8 ticks at 1.4001, the portal shows a PnL of +0.0001 instead of +0.0008. Of course it all evens out in the end when you get flat, just a minor annoyance. I say minor, but it actually screws up the Velocity reporting tools on the portal for things like Win %.

Mike




We're here to help: just ask the community or contact our Help Desk

Quick Links: Change your Username or Register as a Vendor
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list
Lifetime Elite Membership: Sign-up for only $149 USD
Exclusive money saving offers from our Site Sponsors: Browse Offers
Report problems with the site: Using the NexusFi changelog thread
Follow me on X Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #4 (permalink)
 
Poocher's Avatar
 Poocher 
Los Angeles
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: SC, MT,
Broker: Forex
Trading: Forex
Posts: 302 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 362
Thanks Received: 110

How bizarre that Sierra Charts has to beg to get Velocity and TT to take the issue seriously.

The Sierra Charts engineer comes right out and implies that they're dealing with a boob at TT.

I've used SC for charting for a month now and am amazed and grateful at how stable it is.

Was hoping next January to hook up SC with Velocity via TT so hope things are fixed up by then.


Reply With Quote
  #5 (permalink)
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 Big Mike 
Manta, Ecuador
Site Administrator
Developer
Swing Trader
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Custom solution
Broker: IBKR
Trading: Stocks & Futures
Frequency: Every few days
Duration: Weeks
Posts: 50,669 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 33,669
Thanks Received: 102,577

There is at least one TT engineer (very smart) on the forum, I'll send him a PM and see if he has any influence for resolution.

Mike




We're here to help: just ask the community or contact our Help Desk

Quick Links: Change your Username or Register as a Vendor
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list
Lifetime Elite Membership: Sign-up for only $149 USD
Exclusive money saving offers from our Site Sponsors: Browse Offers
Report problems with the site: Using the NexusFi changelog thread
Follow me on X Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #6 (permalink)
 
Poocher's Avatar
 Poocher 
Los Angeles
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: SC, MT,
Broker: Forex
Trading: Forex
Posts: 302 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 362
Thanks Received: 110

BigMike I hope Velocity's already done that.

Doesn't really sound like it on the SC thread though.


Reply With Quote
  #7 (permalink)
 
Poocher's Avatar
 Poocher 
Los Angeles
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: SC, MT,
Broker: Forex
Trading: Forex
Posts: 302 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 362
Thanks Received: 110

I'm starting to have second thoughts about saying that SC is dealing with a boob at TT.

It's one thing for SC on their product forum to be candid about what they're experiencing in dealing with TT and another thing for me to characterize it in such a negative way. SC sure didn't say the TT person was a boob.

With that said how could TT and Velocity not have accountable individuals ready to address any issue Sierra Charts brings to them. TT and Velocity couldn't buy a better partner who concisely addresses software issues.


Reply With Quote
  #8 (permalink)
 Sawtooth 
Prescott AZ USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SierraChart
Broker: EdgeClear, FCM:Phillip, Data:Denali, Routing:Teton
Trading: YM RTY ES NQ
Posts: 480 since Nov 2009
Thanks Given: 222
Thanks Received: 608


Big Mike View Post
Thanks for posting. I noticed this too!

It has been driving me a bit insane, trying to figure out what is going on.

On a side note, do you concur that Velocity's portal is reporting PnL based on FIFO and not based on the 'actual' orders being executed via the SC DOM? For example, if my first lot is long at 1.4000 and then I take my fifth lot off for what should be +8 ticks at 1.4001, the portal shows a PnL of +0.0001 instead of +0.0008. Of course it all evens out in the end when you get flat, just a minor annoyance. I say minor, but it actually screws up the Velocity reporting tools on the portal for things like Win %.

Mike


Hi Mike,

I haven't noticed Velocity's portal doing anything weird until Friday Sept 2. But I'm not sure I understand your example. If you enter at 1.4000 and exit at 1.4001, it's only 1 tick.

As for the avg entry price, it's incredible TT doesn't recognize there's a problem. Interestingly, when I attended your X-Trader webinar, I wasn't impressed with TT's presentation nor knowledge of their own product. However, for what I do I like their data feed. It's reliable and commensurate with Zenfire. And I use Sierra for charting and order entry.

-Tom


Started this thread Reply With Quote
  #9 (permalink)
 
Big Mike's Avatar
 Big Mike 
Manta, Ecuador
Site Administrator
Developer
Swing Trader
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: Custom solution
Broker: IBKR
Trading: Stocks & Futures
Frequency: Every few days
Duration: Weeks
Posts: 50,669 since Jun 2009
Thanks Given: 33,669
Thanks Received: 102,577

I meant a later lot added so that the exit should be 8 ticks, but portal seems to be FIFO.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk




We're here to help: just ask the community or contact our Help Desk

Quick Links: Change your Username or Register as a Vendor
Searching for trading reviews? Review this list
Lifetime Elite Membership: Sign-up for only $149 USD
Exclusive money saving offers from our Site Sponsors: Browse Offers
Report problems with the site: Using the NexusFi changelog thread
Follow me on X Visit my NexusFi Trade Journal Reply With Quote
  #10 (permalink)
 Sawtooth 
Prescott AZ USA
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SierraChart
Broker: EdgeClear, FCM:Phillip, Data:Denali, Routing:Teton
Trading: YM RTY ES NQ
Posts: 480 since Nov 2009
Thanks Given: 222
Thanks Received: 608



Big Mike View Post
I meant a later lot added so that the exit should be 8 ticks, but portal seems to be FIFO.

Sent from my DROIDX using Tapatalk

I never scale in, so I haven't noticed what Velocity's portal does with this.

Sierra handles scale-ins by averaging the entry price of all the entries until flat. TT should be doing something similar, but now that TT doesn't start the average over when flat (only at the EOD), who knows what they're doing.


Started this thread Reply With Quote




Last Updated on January 12, 2012


© 2026 NexusFi®, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Downloads - Top
no new posts