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June 16th, 2013, 11:51 AM
Orlando Florida
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ron99
When I calculate a Aug 1300 ES put with 64 DTE with 28.88 IV when ES futures are at 1631 I'm getting 0.96965. (I'm assuming that I convert 28.88 IV to .2888)
What does 0.96965 represent? I'm guessing it's the chances of being OTM not ITM.
If I remove the 1- at the front of the calculation the result of 0.03035 or 3.035% makes more sense to me.
So am I correct that
Excel:
NORMSDIST(LN(Strike/Futures Current Price)/(Implied Volatility*SQRT(DTE/365)))
in a percentage format would give me the chances of an option being ITM?
Correct! The formula is an adaptation of the black scholes model.
I attempt to understand all calculations before using them, so I do not use an indicator that I cannot build from scratch.
June 16th, 2013, 11:58 AM
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Barrington
I just tried it on the OX Trade & Prob. Calculator - 1300 ES Put with 63 DTE and changed the IV to 28.88. It gives me 3.57% probability of ending ITM. ESU = 1622.75
Please remember that IV is different that historical vol . IV is derived from the strike you choose to sell, so deeper OTM options have higher IV. In essence, you need higher volatility for the price of the option to achieve the premium traded. Historical Vol represent the true vol of the underlying.
All that to said, your prob of ITM is higher if you use the IV from the strike traded.
June 17th, 2013, 12:41 PM
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Even with the rally, earnings have risen so much that valuations remain below historical averages. Stocks trade at about 15.9 times reported operating earnings, compared with the mean of 16 in data going back to 1954.
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June 17th, 2013, 12:58 PM
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June 17th, 2013, 01:47 PM
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@ron99 ,
Any thoughts on say September Cotton? Was looking at potentially doing some calls (due to seasonality) and what seems to be a somewhat overdone short-term technical bullishness.
June 17th, 2013, 04:02 PM
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eudamonia
@
ron99 ,
Any thoughts on say September Cotton? Was looking at potentially doing some calls (due to seasonality) and what seems to be a somewhat overdone short-term technical bullishness.
Yes I was looking at that too. With Texas getting some rain the crop should be OK.
But Sep options have very little volume and OI. Dec is the contract with option volume. But it is 144 DTE .
I might do some.
June 17th, 2013, 05:40 PM
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ron99
When I calculate a Aug 1300 ES put with 64 DTE with 28.88 IV when ES futures are at 1631 I'm getting 0.96965. (I'm assuming that I convert 28.88 IV to .2888)
What does 0.96965 represent? I'm guessing it's the chances of being OTM not ITM.
If I remove the 1- at the front of the calculation the result of 0.03035 or 3.035% makes more sense to me.
So am I correct that
Excel:
NORMSDIST(LN(Strike/Futures Current Price)/(Implied Volatility*SQRT(DTE/365)))
in a percentage format would give me the chances of an option being ITM?
The 1- is needed at the front when doing calls. It is not needed when doing puts.
June 19th, 2013, 03:40 PM
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Anybody got an answer to this question?
Right now ESu3 is down 11.00. The Jul 1400 put settled at 1.05 yesterday.
So why is the ask only 0.95? It's the same for most of the options. The ask is less than yesterday's settlements when futures are way down.
June 19th, 2013, 03:46 PM
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ron99
Anybody got an answer to this question?
Right now ESu3 is down 11.00. The Jul 1400 put settled at 1.05 yesterday.
So why is the ask only 0.95? It's the same for most of the options. The ask is less than yesterday's settlements when futures are way down.
Ron,
Your good friend volatility. The VIX is down 2%. The FOMC announcement has calm the market expectations.
UnZane
June 19th, 2013, 03:49 PM
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ron99
Anybody got an answer to this question?
Right now ESu3 is down 11.00. The Jul 1400 put settled at 1.05 yesterday.
So why is the ask only 0.95? It's the same for most of the options. The ask is less than yesterday's settlements when futures are way down.
Ron,
You are dangerous. The VIX moved from down 2% to .5%.
UnZane
Last Updated on July 28, 2023