NexusFi: Find Your Edge


Home Menu

 





Order sizes for futures instruments


Discussion in Traders Hideout

Updated
      Top Posters
    1. looks_one Quick Summary with 1 posts (0 thanks)
    2. looks_two Itsjustamarket with 1 posts (0 thanks)
    3. looks_3 RichardHK with 1 posts (1 thanks)
    4. looks_4 kevinkdog with 1 posts (1 thanks)
    1. trending_up 3,492 views
    2. thumb_up 6 thanks given
    3. group 5 followers
    1. forum 5 posts
    2. attach_file 0 attachments




 
Search this Thread
  #1 (permalink)
 jimmo 
Portland
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: NinjaTrader
Trading: 6E
Posts: 18 since Oct 2011
Thanks Given: 27
Thanks Received: 4

How does a futures trader determine the upper limit for order sizes for day trading? For example, I presume the ES would take an order for 100 contracts without the slightest bump, but that gold or oil would require much smaller orders, and silver even smaller. Is it all trial and error, or are there simple rules/guidelines?


Started this thread Reply With Quote

Can you help answer these questions
from other members on NexusFi?
Ceasefire Collapse: Iran Fires 24 Missiles, Israel Hits …
Traders Hideout
June 15 Peace Odds Surge From 3.6% to 12.25% After Trump …
Prediction Markets & Event Contracts
Six Days to Kickoff: World Cup Prediction Markets Hit $1 …
Prediction Markets & Event Contracts
April 2026 Jobs Report: +115k vs +65k Expected
Traders Hideout
UMA Votes Tonight: Polymarkets $80M Strategy Bitcoin Bat …
Prediction Markets & Event Contracts
 
Best Threads (Most Thanked)
in the last 7 days on NexusFi
NexusFi site changelog and issues/problem reporting
15 thanks
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra
3 thanks
Big Mike in Ecuador
1 thanks
30 Sessions
1 thanks
  #3 (permalink)
 kevinkdog   is a Vendor
 
Posts: 3,738 since Jul 2012
Thanks Given: 1,918
Thanks Received: 7,485



jimmo View Post
How does a futures trader determine the upper limit for order sizes for day trading? For example, I presume the ES would take an order for 100 contracts without the slightest bump, but that gold or oil would require much smaller orders, and silver even smaller. Is it all trial and error, or are there simple rules/guidelines?

Take a look at the order ladder at various times per day, or at a minimum at the current bid and ask sizes. This will give you at least some idea of market size.

The upper limit, then, really depends on how much slippage you can endure.


Follow me on X Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #4 (permalink)
 
Fat Tails's Avatar
 Fat Tails 
Berlin, Europe
Legendary Market Wizard
 
Experience: Advanced
Platform: NinjaTrader
Broker: Interactive Brokers
Trading: Futures & Stocks
Posts: 9,887 since Mar 2010
Thanks Given: 4,242
Thanks Received: 27,117


jimmo View Post
How does a futures trader determine the upper limit for order sizes for day trading? For example, I presume the ES would take an order for 100 contracts without the slightest bump, but that gold or oil would require much smaller orders, and silver even smaller. Is it all trial and error, or are there simple rules/guidelines?

The question is how long you want to hold your position. If you are a swing trader, you can use order execution algorithms to enter the market, see impact and liquidity driven algorithms.

If you wish to scalp, you need to have a look at the order book before entering a position. The depth of the order book depends on the time of the day. You can collect level 2 data and run a few statistics on each instrument to get an estimate of the typical order book depth at a given time of the day.


Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #5 (permalink)
 RichardHK 
Hong Kong
 
Experience: Intermediate
Platform: NinjaTrader, TWS
Broker: IB/Kinetick
Trading: ES
Posts: 236 since Jan 2012
Thanks Given: 132
Thanks Received: 340

Keep in mind that the numbers on the order ladder are spurious/fictitious. Divide by 2, at least, to get what levels actually move the market after dummy orders are pulled.


Richard
Hong Kong
Reply With Quote
Thanked by:
  #6 (permalink)
 Itsjustamarket 
Richmond,UK
 
Experience: Beginner
Platform: TT
Broker: TT,
Trading: FGBL
Posts: 17 since Aug 2010
Thanks Given: 0
Thanks Received: 30

If your asking questions like that, you really shouldn't be trading anymore than a 2 lot. So its something you don't have to think about. when your looking to trade more size you will know the answer.

Your time and effort will be better spent focusing on other stuff...


Reply With Quote




Last Updated on July 25, 2013


© 2026 NexusFi®, s.a., All Rights Reserved.
Av Ricardo J. Alfaro, Century Tower, Panama City, Panama, Ph: +507 833-9432 (Panama and Intl), +1 888-312-3001 (USA and Canada)
All information is for educational use only and is not investment advice. There is a substantial risk of loss in trading commodity futures, stocks, options and foreign exchange products. Past performance is not indicative of future results.
About Us - Contact Us - Site Rules, Acceptable Use, and Terms and Conditions - Downloads - Top
no new posts