Hello,

I am sim testing my first strategy in NT7.

Strategy Information:
Managed Approach from the wizard with the following in NT7. I unlock the code to add additional code
I am using limit orders to enter the market, then NT auto creates a OCO bracket orders for stoploss and profit order.
EnterLongLimit()
EnterShortLimit()
SetStopLoss()
SetProfitTarget()

Problem

Sometimes (normally during high volume price action) when the entry limit order is filled, instantly I get an error (see attachment) that the stop order is placed on the profit side of the trade. For example, if a long order is filled, the stop order is being placed above the entry price. This causes the Order Rejection and causes the strategy to disable. This happen on the long and short side.

I am using a -30 tick stop loss, and after the Order Rejection occurs, I never see the market prices below my original stop loss price. So the stop loss is just plain being placed on the wrong side of the trade for no apparent reason. I never see price move more then 5-7 ticks towards the stop loss price. So may not be related to high volume.

This problem does not occur often, but it worries me when it happens. I am trading sim until problem is resolved.

I have discussed this issue with NT support on email, but they tell me somewhere in my code is the problem. I can not find the bug.

I attached my code for review and errors.

Questions

1. From your experience with NT, do you recommend I move towards UnManaged Approach? I like Managed Approach because my coding skills is still in the beginner stages and learning.

Thank you kindly.

goodoboy 

Sometimes (normally during high volume price action) when the entry limit order is filled, instantly I get an error (see attachment) that the stop order is placed on the profit side of the trade. For example, if a long order is filled, the stop order is being placed above the entry price. This causes the Order Rejection. This happen on the long and short side.

This is normal and a valid rejection if price is moving quickly you have to allow for it. I can't remember all the details but here is some code I wrote a fair while back that might help.

KeyTrader - a simple numeric keyboard trading tool It's been a while but the attached zip file: 1) Fixes a simple timing issue with orders getting OrderState.PendingSubmit instead of OrderState.Accepted. 2) Illustrates integration with ChartMinder via a StrategyName when the appropriate line of …

Pretty sure I got around it ok, others took the unmanaged approach, but that is much harder work and I didn't like the risk involved.

Cheers

ratfink 

This is normal and a valid rejection if price is moving quickly you have to allow for it. I can't remember all the details but here is some code I wrote a fair while back that might help. KeyTrader - a simple numeric keyboard trading tool It's been a while but the attached zip file: 1) Fixes a simple timing issue with orders getting OrderState.PendingSubmit instead of OrderState.Accepted. 2) Illustrates integration with ChartMinder via a StrategyName when the appropriate line of … Pretty sure I got around it ok, others took the unmanaged approach, but that is much harder work and I didn't like the risk involved. Cheers

Thank you ratfink for responding.

I edit my original post to be more clearer.

I am using a -30 tick stop loss, and after the Order Rejection occurs, I never see the market prices below my original stop loss price. So the stop loss is just plain being placed on the wrong side of the trade for no apparent reason. I never see price move more then 5-7 ticks towards the stop loss price. So may not be related to high volume.

I believe NT order handling is actually placing the stop loss order on the wrong side of trade.

Have you or anyone else ever seen this issue before?

Thank you kindly.

goodoboy 

Have you or anyone else ever seen this issue before?

No, I didn't.

Just had a quick glance at your code and you seem to be calling the Limit Entries twice

 

Code

EnterLongLimit(0, true, DefaultQuantity, Variable1, "LONG"); myEntryOrder = EnterLongLimit(0, true, DefaultQuantity, Variable1, "LONG"); //get the order number

Same is short case, given the same name maybe it just overrides anyway, in which case ignore.

More importantly there are lots of other states in OnOrderUpdate that might be affecting you (e.g Pending, etc), see if the code in KeyTrader can shed any light on it. I've got my head full of too much other stuff at the moment to be much of a shining light..

Cheers

ratfink 

No, I didn't. Just had a quick glance at your code and you seem to be calling the Limit Entries twice   Code EnterLongLimit(0, true, DefaultQuantity, Variable1, "LONG"); myEntryOrder = EnterLongLimit(0, true, DefaultQuantity, Variable1, "LONG"); //get the order number Same is short case, given the same name maybe it just overrides anyway, in which case ignore. More importantly there are lots of other states in OnOrderUpdate that might be affecting you (e.g Pending, etc), see if the code in KeyTrader can shed any light on it. I've got my head full of too much other stuff at the moment to be much of a shining light.. Cheers

Thank you ratfink for the response and your time.

I removed the additional EnterLongLimit order. Thanks for the review.

I will respond with what I find regarding stop loss occasionally being placed on the wrong side of trade.

Thanks,

I too am facing this issue constantly, I am using the shark indicators sofftware to place my trades through the blackbird interface, even a simple trailing stop loss triggers this error for me. Has anyone got any code which can supress the pop up error, it can happen 50+ times for me in a trading session and is so annoying. I have tried to get NT to do this but with no luck



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