I have a 3rd party indicator that auto-trades. I didn't realize you could do that with an indicator instead of a strategy. I'm a hack, but have written both. How would I write an indicator that trades? Is it as simple as putting the commands in an indicator instead of a strategy?

And then how would I put some of the parameters on the screen as buttons, e.g., On/Off, Long, Short, ATM to use, etc, so I can change them on the fly?

If anyone has one I could use as a model, I would appreciate getting my hands on it!

Vicki

vickisb 

I have a 3rd party indicator that auto-trades. I didn't realize you could do that with an indicator instead of a strategy. I'm a hack, but have written both. How would I write an indicator that trades? Is it as simple as putting the commands in an indicator instead of a strategy? And then how would I put some of the parameters on the screen as buttons, e.g., On/Off, Long, Short, ATM to use, etc, so I can change them on the fly? If anyone has one I could use as a model, I would appreciate getting my hands on it! Vicki

A very partial skeleton but the main methods are here:

private Account myaccount;
...
Order myOrder = new Order();
myOrder = myaccount.CreateOrder(Instrument, ...);
myccount.Submit(new[] { myOrder });

Why not use the strategy framework? It is there for this exact reason. With a strategy you can turn it On/Off without reloading your chart.

I have been using these methods with great success and ease.
https://ninjatrader.com/support/helpGuides/nt8/NT%20HelpGuide%20English.html?atmstrategycreate.htm

I've never tried sticking any of the ATM methods into an indicator? I JUST started playing with the NT provided ATM framework myself a few days ago, so my knowledge is limited.

But, if you want to be able to manipulate orders on the fly, you will want to create orders with the ATM methods as suggested by trendisyourfriend.

I have a similar thing working right now, but I'm still working on it. It simply places and replaces orders in a range. But I have it in a strategy, not an indicator.

Typicaly strategies, do not allow you to manipulate orders after they are placed, its all run internally by the strategy. But orders created via ATM methods allow you to manipulate the orders.

forrestang 

I've never tried sticking any of the ATM methods into an indicator? I JUST started playing with the NT provided ATM framework myself a few days ago, so my knowledge is limited. But, if you want to be able to manipulate orders on the fly, you will want to create orders with the ATM methods as suggested by trendisyourfriend. I have a similar thing working right now, but I'm still working on it. It simply places and replaces orders in a range. But I have it in a strategy, not an indicator. Typicaly strategies, do not allow you to manipulate orders after they are placed, its all run internally by the strategy. But orders created via ATM methods allow you to manipulate the orders.

I'm 99% sure you cannot do ATM trades from within a script. You can do what they call "managed" or "unmanaged" trades in a script. You can do a bracket pretty easily with managed trail stops (using the NT method) or stop limits and targets. If you want to change an order, for example, that will be an unmanaged trade and they warn only experienced coders should do these. There's actually a lot to it if you think about it... every order needs to wait for the confirm and then consider that before "closing" a position lest you actually be opening one instead. That sort of thing.

chipwitch 

I'm 99% sure you cannot do ATM trades from within a script. You can do what they call "managed" or "unmanaged" trades in a script. You can do a bracket pretty easily with managed trail stops (using the NT method) or stop limits and targets. If you want to change an order, for example, that will be an unmanaged trade and they warn only experienced coders should do these. There's actually a lot to it if you think about it... every order needs to wait for the confirm and then consider that before "closing" a position lest you actually be opening one instead. That sort of thing.

It depends...

Are you talking about a strategy or an indicator?

Also, it depends on if you are talking about the trades being placed by strategy-logic, or ATM-logic?

The two are different... E.g., the strategy-logic trades, will run trades from bar zero, to the current bar, and places those trades, and create a strategy-position.

ATM-logic trades, do not run on prior bars, and start in real-time... so when using this logic, both the unmanaged and managed methods you typically use, do not apply here. See THIS link and they kind of talk about it here.

I've got one working right now. I'm gonna post a video of it, running on replay data, and show you what I mean.

I just got into this ATM stuff a few days ago. I knew what I wanted TO DO, but I didn't know what it was. I wished someone could have told me to look into the ATM section, would have saved me the several hours spent reading the docs trying to figure it out

forrestang 

It depends... Are you talking about a strategy or an indicator? Also, it depends on if you are talking about the trades being placed by strategy-logic, or ATM-logic? The two are different... E.g., the strategy-logic trades, will run trades from bar zero, to the current bar, and places those trades, and create a strategy-position. ATM-logic trades, do not run on prior bars, and start in real-time... so when using this logic, both the unmanaged and managed methods you typically use, do not apply here. See THIS link and they kind of talk about it here. I've got one working right now. I'm gonna post a video of it, running on replay data, and show you what I mean. I just got into this ATM stuff a few days ago. I knew what I wanted TO DO, but I didn't know what it was. I wished someone could have told me to look into the ATM section, would have saved me the several hours spent reading the docs trying to figure it out

Good to know, thanks! I looked all over for that and couldn't find it!

trendisyourfriend 

Why not use the strategy framework? It is there for this exact reason. With a strategy you can turn it On/Off without reloading your chart. I have been using these methods with great success and ease. https://ninjatrader.com/support/helpGuides/nt8/NT%20HelpGuide%20English.html?atmstrategycreate.htm

There are multiple reasons, like having a sexier ChartTrader with a more advanced logic, or having a manual entry which is then managed by a strategy more complex than what an ATM can do.
You can do whatever you want from an indicator, but all is not necessarily supported and documented (but it works).

sam028 

There are multiple reasons, like having a sexier ChartTrader with a more advanced logic, or having a manual entry which is then managed by a strategy more complex than what an ATM can do. You can do whatever you want from an indicator, but all is not necessarily supported and documented (but it works).

Did you explore the ATM Strategy Methods ? Everything you have mentionned in your last post can be done within a Ninjascript strategy outside of the indicator environment. The strategy and Add-on environments are the suggested way by Ninjatrader for this type of work.

ATM strategies working individually.