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Ok. How about the readers digest version of all the above? Whats wrong with Liberty Trading Club? I took a look at a couple of their videos. They were short and sweet which I appreciate. I haven't really taken a close look yet so I would appreciate some info as to whether they are frauds and how are they frauds. Thanks!
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Talent will not ... nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent.
Genius will not ... Unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
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Not sure what you're implying, but I posted this because I have used this thread to look for trading rooms in the past and since (after 4+ months with Liberty) i had some insight to offer - i did. I'm not sure if you're simply trying to discourage people from posting their experiences (?) or if you yourself had a bad experience with them (if you yourself had a bad experience, you should post it). That said, I was well aware of the things written about Alex (I saw that same link you posted) but a lot of the info on that link seemed more like personal attacks on his age / looks, etc - the other info about his history could have been hyperbole or sensationalized (the internet is loaded with truth and BS - so caveat emptor is always good advice) - but since Liberty provided a free trial period, I decided to check them out.
Now I'm just reporting back my experience (Alex has provided some great education and helped me turn an important corner in trading futures). I doesn't matter to me if you accept that or not - it's obviously your choice if you want to check them out or not.
I'm a 59 year old auto service industry consultant who also trades - I have no affiliation with Alex (other than I'm a member) - I am not being paid / remunerated in any way for writing this. But I am thankful for the help he's provided me (which mostly comes from the discussion that occurs throughout the trading day while in the room) - the setups that they teach have been very reliable. I continue membership in the room because I'm still getting value related to the "mental" side of trading (such as learning how to pull the trigger when the setup presents itself instead of hesitating and risking a bad entry price) - I learn something new there almost every day.
Part of the motivation for writing this is because I was aware of the stuff that was written about him (I wanted to provide my own perspective since it differs quite a bit from what I read online) - I think that's fair - don't you? I hadn't seen the video you posted, so i watched it. I don't know D. Handley personally (only from the stuff that he has put online about Alex), so i have no opinion on him (that said, he is obviously promoting his own trading tools / service - BUT - he doesn't even have a website where he posts the details / costs, etc. - you have to email him at his 'yahoo' email address.....I do find that a little odd in 2023).
I'm happy to prove that I am who I say I am (to the owners of nexusfi.com) and they can validate that to anyone who cares.
(in follow-up to someone else's ealier question about "price action trading" - no, they don't have a room that trades solely price action, but they DO use support / resistance levels).
@Dinvest1982, you've touched on something that separates the best trading rooms from the rest: education over signal-chasing.
For anyone else evaluating a futures trading room, here's what I've observed matters most:
1. Does it teach you to fish?
A quality live futures trading room should make you less dependent on it over time, not more. If after 6 months you still can't identify setups without the moderator's calls, something's off. Dinvest1982's point about the training videos and live explanations during market hours - that's the educational model that actually builds traders.
2. Specialization matters
An emini trading room focused on ES trades differently than a YM or NQ room. The instruments have different personalities - ES tends toward mean reversion, NQ can trend harder, YM often leads. A room that tries to trade everything may not trade anything particularly well.
3. Watch for the red flags
No losing trades ever shown (everyone has them)
Pressure to upgrade or buy additional products
Moderator trades "off camera" or with different size
No clear methodology you can learn to replicate
4. The trial period is your due diligence
Always take a free trial seriously. Don't just watch - actively paper trade alongside and track results yourself. Your own data beats marketing claims.
The honest truth about finding the best trading room: it's less about finding the "best" and more about finding the right fit for your trading style, schedule, and learning needs. A room that's perfect for a full-time futures day trader might be useless for someone who can only trade the first hour.
Did you end up developing your own independent trading after the training, or do you still primarily trade alongside the room?
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