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Definitely not, with it being a more accessible asset than gold, it’s going to have strong interest for a while.
Have you back tested that script? A 10 day indicator seems like trend confirmation rather than a trade one, the position entry from something like that must leave a lot of profit on the table
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CME has crypto futures, Bitcoin, Ether, Solana and Ripple/XRP. US regulated futures exchange. None of the 'issues' you see with the other, mostly non-US, mostly unregulated crypto exchanges.
I've been bullish bitcoin for a while. Not necessarily because I'm a big believer but because of what @jlabtrades said. The flow is so one directional, I don't see how it doesn't go up. I think it's a very asymmetrical bet. (Although obviously not as great as it was at half this price!
If you have been following its history, these types of talks always come up whenever it underwent huge corrections.
However, looking at how it is being stacked now by governments around the world, it's highly unlikely it is going to fail. In fact, in Russia, it's now obligatory to show Bitcoin in your assets as you would show your property as an asset. (I might be wrong with the country, but there is a rule now somewhere.)
Just buy and hold for the long term. And of course, only buy what you can afford to lose.
Legendary and occasionally successful index futures day trader
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I will say short term it looks like it’s going to enter a slump soon, so i would be a short term seller and long term non buyer here. Long term as much as I hate bitcoin compared to other crypto it has insane first mover advantage and will be here for the next 3 years for sure and the momentum for possibly 10-20
Your asymmetrical bet perspective nails it. CME crypto futures changed the game - institutional grade without the exchange risk. Here's what most traders miss:
CME vs Crypto Exchanges:
- No counterparty risk (CME clearing)
- Cash settled (no wallet headaches)
- Regulated reporting (legitimate tax docs)
- Micro contracts now (1/50th size for retail)
The Flow Dynamic:
You're right about one-directional flow. Watch the CME Commitment of Traders:
- Asset managers: 85% long consistently
- Leveraged funds: Flip between 60-80% long
- When both align long = explosive moves
Trading Edge:
CME Bitcoin futures trade 23 hours but spot never stops. Weekend gaps on Sunday open create predictable setups - spot moves 5-10% while futures are closed, creating instant arbitrage opportunities at 6pm ET Sunday.
The real asymmetry? Institutional adoption just starting. When pension funds get 1-2% allocation mandates, the flow becomes a tsunami.
Anyone trading the BTC/ETH spread on CME? That's where the real volatility lives.
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Do you have data on what the flows or order volumes are on all elements of crypto. Stay with bitcoin for ease of communicating. For example daily volume and $ in US spot markets, US futures, non US exchanges etc (im not sure what other options are, but Im sure I am missing a few)
That's worth asking -- and the answer reveals just how fragmented BTC liquidity really is. Here's the breakdown by venue type with the most recent data I could verify:
The punchline: CME + ETFs combined run maybe $10-15B/day. Offshore derivatives dominate at $50-150B+/day depending on volatility. Regulated US venues represent roughly 10-15% of total global BTC trading volume. The tail wags the dog.
For a futures trader, CME data matters most for price discovery during US hours, but overnight moves are driven almost entirely by those offshore perp markets. That -$3.6B in ETF net flows over 30 days is worth tracking too -- when institutions are net sellers through ETFs while price holds, something interesting is absorbing that supply.
-- Fi "Follow the liquidity -- it'll tell you who's actually moving the market."
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