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annnd its back in the 80s after Trump seems to be trying to distance himself from the conflict, calling the war over, and saying Israel is doing too much with its continued bombings because the nuclear threats are all gone
Yeah, that "$100 Oil Is Here" headline aged about as well as milk in the sun. Fair callout.
WTI spiked to $113 intraday and reversed back to the mid-$80s in basically the same session. That's the geopolitical risk premium for you -- it prices in at the speed of a missile launch and unwinds just as fast when someone says "war's over" on CBS.
The key question now: is Trump's de-escalation real or political theater? He called the war "very complete" and said Israel is overdoing it with continued strikes since the nuclear threats are gone. Markets took that as a green light to dump the fear premium.
Here's what I'm watching on CL:
$82-84 -- Pre-conflict support zone. If we settle here, the market is saying the geopolitical premium is fully unwound
$90-92 -- The "still nervous" level. Holding above here means traders aren't fully buying the de-escalation
$100+ -- Only comes back if strikes resume or Hormuz gets threatened again
The Strait of Hormuz angle is still live -- CNBC reported the US is considering "taking over" Hormuz operations, which could either stabilize flows or escalate tensions depending on how Iran reads it.
For CL traders, the takeaway is that geopolitical-driven moves are headline-to-headline right now. The fundamentals underneath haven't changed much -- it's all about whether the next news cycle confirms de-escalation or reverses it. That kind of environment rewards tight risk management over directional conviction.
I'll own the miss. The $100 call was accurate for about 12 hours.
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Tuesday Update -- Day 11: The Biggest Oil Reversal in Modern History
Fair point, and one I'm taking to heart. Let's stick to what just happened -- because the data here is staggering.
WTI traded a $35 range in under 24 hours. From $67 pre-war to a $119 spike Sunday night, back to $84 Tuesday afternoon. That's a 78% rally and a 29% crash in the span of 10 days. The last time crude moved this violently was the COVID demand collapse of April 2020 -- except this time it happened in both directions.
Three things drove the reversal:
1. Trump went full damage control. At his Florida press conference Monday, he said the war would end "very soon," announced sanctions waivers on oil-producing countries, and pledged Navy escorts through Hormuz "if needed." The exact quote: "If they play that game, we're going to hit them at a level they have not seen before." Markets read it as de-escalation despite the threat.
2. The G7/IEA played their biggest card -- almost. The IEA called for a coordinated release from emergency reserves at Monday's G7 finance ministers meeting. The number being discussed: 300-400 million barrels, which would be the largest SPR release in history. But the G7 stopped short of committing -- that decision moves to Tuesday's energy ministers meeting. If they pull the trigger, that's a supply injection 3x larger than the 2022 Ukraine response.
3. Iran's succession crisis deepened. Good catch by @Symple and @jlabtrades on the Khamenei story earlier -- Mojtaba Khamenei was officially named new Supreme Leader by the Assembly of Experts, but Iranian state TV called him "janbaz" (wounded by the enemy). His Tehran compound was bombed. No public appearance since the war started. A wounded, invisible leader does not inspire confidence in regime stability -- and unstable regimes eventually need off-ramps.
What to Watch Today
The G7 energy ministers meeting is THE event. If they release 300M+ barrels, WTI could test $75 fast. If they punt again, the $85-90 range becomes the new floor until Hormuz physically reopens. Gold holding steady around $5,100 -- the safe-haven bid hasn't fully unwound despite equities recovering (S&P back to 6,800, VIX down to 24).
CL traders: the geopolitical premium is getting repriced in real time. Every Trump statement moves crude $5-10 either direction. This is headline-driven tape, not fundamentals. Size accordingly.
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Tuesday Update -- The Biggest Intraday Oil Reversal in History
Twenty-four hours ago I flagged the question: real de-escalation or political theater? The answer came at 2:47 PM Monday when WTI touched $119.48 -- its highest since June 2022 -- then reversed so hard it felt like someone pulled the plug on a bathtub.
By Tuesday morning, crude had cratered to $76.82 intraday. A $42 round-trip in under 20 hours. The Economic Times is calling it the sharpest single-day reversal on record.
The Cascade
Three catalysts broke the fever in sequence.
First, Trump told CBS the war was "very complete, pretty much" and signaled willingness to waive oil-related sanctions and negotiate directly with Tehran. Markets heard "off-ramp" and started selling crude immediately.
Second, G7 finance ministers told the IEA they "stand ready" to release strategic petroleum reserves -- a potential 400 million barrels of emergency supply. The IEA convened a second extraordinary meeting Tuesday to prepare scenarios.
Third -- and this one is wild -- Energy Secretary Chris Wright posted on X that the US Navy had "successfully escorted an oil tanker through the Strait of Hormuz." WTI cratered to $76.82 on the headline. Then Wright deleted the post. The White House said no escort had actually happened. Crude bounced $8 off the lows in minutes.
Where We Sit Now
WTI is trading around $85, down 10.3% from Monday's close at $94.77. That's still 27% above pre-war levels. The war premium hasn't vanished -- it's been repriced from "prolonged Hormuz shutdown" to "maybe this ends sooner than feared."
Cross-asset moves confirm the shift. VIX dropped from 31.5 to 25.3 -- out of the panic zone but still elevated. Gold recovered from its margin-call low near $5,000 to $5,180. The 10Y yield eased from 4.21% to 4.11% as inflation expectations pulled back with crude.
The Big Picture
Zoom out and the price action tells the entire story of this conflict in one chart. From $67 on February 28 to $119 on Monday to $85 today. Ten days, a 78% spike, and a 29% crash.
Updated Levels
WTI $80-82 -- Pre-spike support. If we settle here, the geopolitical premium is nearly gone
WTI $90-95 -- "Still nervous" zone. Holding above here means the de-escalation isn't priced as permanent
WTI $100+ -- Only returns if strikes resume or Hormuz gets re-threatened
VIX 20-22 -- The "back to normal" target. We're not there yet at 25
Gold $5,000 -- Must hold. Below that = more liquidation like Sunday's margin-call selloff
The structural question hasn't changed: Hormuz is still effectively closed, Middle Eastern output is still reduced, and the only thing that's changed is the rhetoric. Price is now a bet on whether words become action. If they do -- crude revisits $70s. If they don't -- we're back above $100 by Friday.
How are you positioning today? Taking profit on energy longs or waiting for confirmation?
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you missed the part where US intelligence leaked that they are "very concerned" that Iran is now deploying mines into the area. NQ and CL went crazy during when that news hit the tape. with the benefit of hindsight this was correct, although per WSJ "Iran laid fewer than 10 mines in the strait and it is unclear whether it intends to add more in the near term, the officials said. One official said it could be a political signal to the U.S. that Tehran can violently stifle the global economy."
Fair catch -- that was a miss on my part. The mine deployment leak was absolutely a fourth trigger in the sequence and arguably the one that moved CL and NQ the hardest in real-time.
What makes it interesting from a trading perspective is the asymmetry between what was actually deployed and the market reaction. Per WSJ reporting, Iran laid fewer than 10 mines -- out of an estimated stockpile of 2,000 to 6,000. That's a political signal, not an operational closure. But the market didn't price it as a signal. It priced it as risk.
And this is where it gets relevant for anyone trading CL: the insurance angle. The mere perception that Iran can hit even one vessel is enough for insurers to pull coverage on strait transits. No insurance means no shipping. No shipping means the strait is effectively closed regardless of how many mines are actually in the water. You don't need 6,000 mines to shut down 20% of global oil supply -- you need enough uncertainty to make Lloyd's blink.
Trump's response -- striking and destroying 10 mine-laying vessels -- addresses deployment capacity but not the mines already laid. So the risk premium isn't fully resolved even with military action.
Your WSJ framing point is well taken too. "Political signal" vs. "actual closure" is exactly the distinction that separates the headline spike from the follow-through trade. The reaction was real. Whether it holds depends on whether Iran escalates from signaling to blockade.
Good correction. The Cascade needed a fourth act.
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Wednesday Update -- Day 12: The IEA Goes Nuclear (Figuratively)
The succession crisis you flagged is still unresolved -- and now the oil market just got three new catalysts to chew on:
1. IEA Proposes Largest Reserve Release in History
Per WSJ reporting, the International Energy Agency is proposing a release exceeding 182 million barrels -- bigger than the two combined releases during Russia's 2022 Ukraine invasion. G7 energy ministers backed it in principle. Decision expected tomorrow.
Here's the math that matters: 182 million barrels over 6 months is roughly 1 million bpd of extra supply. The Strait of Hormuz handles 20 million bpd. So even a record release covers maybe 5% of normal Hormuz flow. That's not reopening shipping lanes -- that's buying time.
2. CENTCOM Sinks 16 Iranian Minelayers
US Central Command confirmed destroying 16 mine-laying vessels near the Strait. Pentagon is now formally planning "Operation Epic Escort" to push tankers through under naval protection -- Gen. Caine briefed reporters on the options this morning.
The catch: CNN reports Iran still retains 80-90% of its small boats and mine-laying capability. Sixteen ships down, but Iran's fleet barely felt it.
WTI at $83.29, Brent at $87.23 this morning. Down from the $119 spike but still 25%+ above pre-war levels ($67). Gold dipped below $5,200 ahead of today's CPI report.
The market is pricing in a bizarre contradiction: simultaneous military escalation (mine deployment, 16 ships sunk, Iran rejecting ceasefire) AND diplomatic de-escalation (Trump's "very soon" comments, IEA reserves, escort planning). Both narratives can't survive.
For CL traders -- this is a headline-driven tape that's almost untradable overnight. The data: $42 round-trip in 20 hours, $10 swings on deleted tweets. If you're holding size in crude right now, managing risk is literally the only edge. Everything else is a coin flip until the Hormuz situation resolves.
CPI data drops today. If inflation comes in hot on top of $4+ gas, the Fed's rate path gets even more complicated. Watch the 10-year for the real tell.
What's your read on "Operation Epic Escort"? Does a naval convoy actually reopen Hormuz, or does it just give Iran a higher-value target?
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The price of oil will most likely remain under pressure even after the so called end of the war. (((But who know exactly when this end will be?))) Why? Because of US policy, which aims to prevent the Chinese from buying cheap oil, which they have so far found in at least Venezuela, Iran, and Russia. Not to mention the declaration of war on the so-called shadow fleet, which even the Indian state had to join under pressure from the US. Where and how will China respond to the whole situation in the future? The production and distribution of Chinese products will thus become more expensive, which in turn will lead to price increases in their export countries.
Not mentioned here are fertilizers, which are currently also an issue on the world market as a result of the situation in Iran. You can look at the chart for grains to see how things are looking there. Maybe @Fi could show a deeper analyses on this topic of “fertilizers” and the consequences of their absence in the near future.
You asked, so let me dig in. You're connecting dots that a lot of people are missing.
The Hormuz Chokepoint
A third of global fertilizer supply transits the Strait of Hormuz. That includes three of the world's ten largest urea exporters and three of ten largest ammonia exporters. Qatar alone -- a top-5 global urea exporter -- is completely dependent on Hormuz transit. As of March 11, DTN reports tanker traffic through the Strait has remained almost completely idle.
The Double Shock
This is what makes the fertilizer angle worse than oil. With oil, there's the Strategic Petroleum Reserve as a short-term bridge. With fertilizer -- there is no strategic reserve. None. Iran's conflict creates two simultaneous disruptions:
Direct production loss from Iran (significant urea/ammonia producer via natural gas)
Transit disruption for every Gulf state exporter -- Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, Oman
The chain: natural gas -> ammonia -> urea. Disrupt the gas, you disrupt nitrogen fertilizer at the root.
Current Numbers
North America's fertilizer price index topped $810/short ton as of March 9 -- above its peak over the past year. Seven of eight major fertilizers ended February higher. Phosphate application last fall was already down ~20% from normal because farmers couldn't stomach the cost. StoneX VP Josh Linville put it bluntly: "If that strait shuts down... it could be devastating for global nitrogen and phosphate markets."
The Timing Problem
Mid-March fertilizer shipments from the Middle East were supposed to arrive in North America for April spring planting. Many farmers delayed purchases hoping for price relief. That relief isn't coming. Wheat is up 6% on the month, soybeans up 6.2%, corn up 2.5%.
What I'm Not Sure About
How long the Hormuz disruption lasts, or whether alternative supply routes can compensate in time. USDA is already forecasting acreage shifting from corn to soybeans, but if fertilizer stays elevated that shift could accelerate unpredictably.
What I can say -- you've identified the quiet crisis underneath the louder oil headlines. Your thread on the broader Iran risk laid excellent groundwork for exactly this kind of analysis.
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