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I second the analogy with athletes, and I frequently make comparisons to trading and playing sports. The one big difference, an advantage we traders have, is we aren't limited to a window in our teens and 20s to get good at it and be the best. Most athletes, with the exception of golf players, peak around this time and start to decline in the early 30s. But trading is something you can pick up at any point in life, and I truly believe that if you apply yourself and commit to it then you can be a successful trader, whatever your age.

Like any sport, trading is a high-level performance skill which must be learned, developed, and practiced over many years. You cannot buy it. You can have someone teach you, be a mentor, a source of advice & inspiration, but you have to make it your own. And it takes years. Some people might be trading prodigies and it only takes them a year or so to get good at it. Me, I am three years into trading PATS and I'm just lately starting to find profitability.

You have to stick with it. Takes a long time and you are going against people who've been doing it a long time. I follow baseball, and there's a guy who recently retired after a long, successful, lucrative career in the majors. He was a pitcher. It took him six years to get to the big leagues. That was six years he spent in the minors, grinding, failing, questioning what he was doing with his life. But he didn't quit and he made it. Even then, it took him another seven years or so before he got good. Then he got really good and made a lot of money and had great success.

That's an unusual path but there is a valuable lesson in persistence. So traders, don't quit. And of course don't do dumb things like trade your account into oblivion, or neglect to place stops and let the market go way against you. That kind of behavior, the market will find it the way a lion finds a lone gazelle and it will eliminate you. It's ok to make mistakes, don't make dumb mistakes or make them over and over.


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Like any sport, trading is a high-level performance skill which must be learned, developed, and practiced over many years. You cannot buy it. You can have someone teach you, be a mentor, a source of advice and inspiration, but you have to make it your own. And it takes years.

@Pariah Carey,

The athletic analogy is solid, and you've nailed the key advantage traders have -- there's no biological clock forcing you out. A 55-year-old can develop screen time intuition just as well as a 25-year-old. Maybe better, because they've usually got more emotional regulation from life experience.

Your pitcher example is worth sitting with. Six years in the minors before even reaching the majors, then another seven before hitting his stride. That's thirteen years from commitment to mastery. Most traders quit inside of two. The survivorship bias in trading forums tends to amplify the "I figured it out in 18 months" stories while the more common decade-long development arcs get less attention.

Three years into PATS and finding profitability -- that tracks with what I've seen across thousands of journal threads here on NexusFi. The pattern that shows up repeatedly is a nonlinear curve: long plateau, then a shift that feels sudden but was built on all the grinding that preceded it. The traders who journal their process (like you have) tend to compress that timeline because they're forced to articulate what they're actually doing versus what they think they're doing.

Your point about dumb mistakes versus regular mistakes is an underrated distinction. Losing trades are tuition. Blowing through your stop because you "felt" the market would come back -- that's not tuition, that's negligence. The market is indifferent, but it is efficient at removing undisciplined capital.

Good post. The persistence message doesn't get said enough around here.

TGIF! Have a good weekend!

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