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March 15th, 2018, 04:13 AM
Europe
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SierraChart, BookMap
Trading: ES, CL, 6E, 6B
Posts: 686 since Jan 2017
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nodoji
Do you have to pay for a new data feed to use Bookmap? I don't think my broker allows feeds to be shared between software.
My broker-connection uses Rithmic-data and I can use this data for bookmap as well, because Rithmic allows 2 data-connections at the same time.
Can you help answer these questions from other members on NexusFi?
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March 15th, 2018, 04:30 AM
New York
Experience: Advanced
Platform: SC, TN
Trading: ES
Posts: 85 since Sep 2014
Thanks Given: 10
Thanks Received: 9
AMP Futures dont allow multiple connections using CQG
March 15th, 2018, 08:34 AM
Posts: 194 since Jan 2017
Thanks Given: 7
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nodoji
Do you have to pay for a new data feed to use Bookmap? I don't think my broker allows feeds to be shared between software.
Hi Nodoji,
Bookmap is a visualization software trading platform. We are not a data provider. Yes, you will need to connect Bookmap to a data provider or broker. We support many brokers as well as the following:
Rithmic
CQG
Gain Capital
Transact
dxFeed (with Devexperts )
GDAX (for digital currencies)
(via API)
TT X_Trader Pro (via TT API)
Interactive Brokers TWS (via API)
Some of the brokers and data providers will offer simultaneous connectivity to multiple platforms. Others may offer a second feed for a small charge. Please check with your broker. Also, you could always connect Bookmap via the API of another platform such as NinjaTrader, TT X_Trader Pro, and Interactive Brokers TWS using a single platform connection.
regards,
Bruce
March 15th, 2018, 05:49 PM
SF Bay Area + CA/US
Market Wizard
Experience: None
Platform: TS, TOS, Ninja(Analytics)
Trading: NQ CL, ES when volatile mrkts
Posts: 1,742 since Oct 2011
Thanks Given: 2,176
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Bookmap
Hi Paps, Thank you for your feedback.
Please note that full market depth is already available.
Allow me also to comment your screenshot, mainly the fact that It display just 10 price levels of ES. The rest of the market depth on heatmap is the result of "Extended market depth" functionality. It simply extends the last known values for market depth outside 10 levels. Therefore in most cases it's not the actual market depth. In fact more than 90% of the chart area here represents not the actual market depth, but its extension, i.e. estimation. As you can see, only the 10 price levels above and below current price are being updated. Besides, you can switch off this feature and see zeros outside the 10 levels range.
Note that all stocks exchanges and crypto exchanges provide Full market depth, in many cases even order-by-order, so in their cases the Extended market depth is not needed. Full market depth means that, for instance, for MSFT (~$95) you receive market depth data for all the price levels from 0.01, 0.02, ... and up to 1999.99. Note that it doesn't increase very significantly the amount of data because most of the activity occurs near the current price. But it gives the full picture and allows to use market depth as indication for long term investments also.
We see that all "new bookmaps" that recently appeared in the industry use this "Extended market depth" functionality. When we added it to Bookmap 3 years ago it was indeed valuable because for Futures (e.g. CME) it was better than nothing. It was "the best guess". And because no other traders had access to the data outside 10 levels (or 20 in some cases), this feature was useful and at least could not harm. But since a year ago CME started to provide Full market depth (MBO - market by order). Since then this data is accessible by other traders. Moreover, those who have access to full depth (especially big traders) also know that a large proportion of traders do not have it, or that they have Extended depth instead. I would expect them to use this knowledge too.
So, in my opinion, currently "Extended market depth" feature does more harm than good for traders. I think it's even better to switch it off and see zeros outside the 10 levels rather then using "extended" while other traders have access to full depth. See those two images for example. One was created with 10 levels market depth and another with full market depth.
Note: Stage Five brokerage does provide connectivity to full market depth via Rithmic. Only in this specific case S5 Bookmap was connected to 10 levels data.
There are 2 main problems:
1. It can mislead a lot. For instance, compare orders that appear on "extended depth" at 2688 at 15:00. Or at 14:44 at 2696, and so on. According to "full depth", these orders were quickly cancelled while they still appear on "extended". This is especially problematic when looking at larger scale because 10 levels is a narrow 2.5-points range. Or when recording started long ago (as on your case), for instance, since a previous day. In such case most of the data shown by "Extended" should be assumed invalid. But it does distort the image and also affects the scaling of heatmap in places where the data is valid.
2. In many cases an important information is outside 10 levels. For instance, those strong levels at 2690, 2695, 2700 were there since 6 hours ago (see large scale image), i.e. since 08:35 according to "extended" chart (it's Chicago timezone). Besides, in zoom-in view I see that it's just 3 large orders. Then 20 minutes later at 08:55 the price reached local maximum at 2680, which is still 40 price levels from 2690, so it was not recorded by the Extended market depth until these levels were reached again 6 hours later.
You can see these and other images
here
So, it's highly recommended to use full depth data wherever it's provided by exchange even if it costs a little more. It can give a trader only an advantage. Try it and see yourself. Unfortunately, not many futures data vendors provide full market depth. As far as I know, among data connections supported by Bookmap, only Rithmic provides full depth for all products at CME. Note,
Bookmap doesn't have any special affiliation with Rithmic: we don't share revenue from neither data nor commissions. The analysis above is my personal and hopefully objective view of the issue.
Best Regards,
Sergey / Bookmap
Hi @Bookmap can you point to more literature or video explaining what you releasing
https://bookmap.com/historical_depth/?utm_source=ZohoCampaigns&utm_campaign=Bookmap+Platform+webinars+Dec17-+webinar+1_2017-12-14&utm_medium=email
March 17th, 2018, 09:08 PM
Versailles Ile de france France
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Sierra
Trading: Futures
Posts: 12 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 0
Thanks Received: 0
Hello,
i just started using bookmap global + but i do not have any historical data feed to train with the replay, do you know how to get one?
I try with the market replay of but it does not display the large lot tracker and the price levels only update when the price touches them ,well it does not work.
March 18th, 2018, 10:19 PM
Posts: 194 since Jan 2017
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Jorma
Hello,
i just started using bookmap global + but i do not have any historical data feed to train with the replay, do you know how to get one?
I try with the market replay of ninjatrader but it does not display the large lot tracker and the price levels only update when the price touches them ,well it does not work.
Hi Jorma
There should be a few recorded feeds that come with Bookmap . To create new recorded feeds, you need to record your live sessions.
You will not use Ninja to access Bookmap's Replay Mode. Just open Bookmap on its own, and choose Replay Data in the first Run Option, then choose the file to replay. Here are four videos on using Replay Mode:
Replay Data Mode
Replay Data Mode - Practical Uses
Debrief your Trading in Bookmap
Replay Mode - Debrief your Trading
Let me know if you have more questions.
regards,
Bruce
Bookmap Team
April 2nd, 2018, 04:19 AM
Versailles Ile de france France
Experience: Beginner
Platform: Sierra
Trading: Futures
Posts: 12 since Dec 2013
Thanks Given: 0
Thanks Received: 0
Hello,
i want to open 2 chart for the same instrument, i tried to open a second chart but i have this message: already subscribed.
How to have 2 charts for the same instrument?
Thank you.
April 2nd, 2018, 09:41 AM
Posts: 194 since Jan 2017
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Jorma
Hello,
i want to open 2 chart for the same instrument, i tried to open a second chart but i have this message: already subscribed.
How to have 2 charts for the same instrument?
Thank you.
Hi Jorma,
It is not possible to open two charts of the same symbol from the same data provider. However, Bookmap offers multiple connectivity -- the ability to connect to several data providers simultaneously. Therefore it is possible to open one symbol from one data provider such as Rithmic . Then open the same symbol again but from another data provider such as CQG. At the moment , this is the only way to open the same symbol in two separate Bookmap charts.
regards,
Bruce
Bookmap Team
May 7th, 2018, 06:30 AM
Athens
Platform: Sierra Chart
Trading: Currency Futures
Posts: 10 since Feb 2012
Thanks Given: 2
Thanks Received: 0
Hi Bookmap ,
Is there a technical reason for dumping the reconstructed TnS ?
Don't know about others, but its been very useful to me.
In fact it would be great if there were "reconstructed" volume dots.
May 11th, 2018, 10:26 AM
Posts: 194 since Jan 2017
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chriseel
Hi Bookmap,
Is there a technical reason for dumping the reconstructed TnS?
Don't know about others, but its been very useful to me.
In fact it would be great if there were "reconstructed" volume dots.
That was a quick patch to synchronize the display of trades on T&S vs volume dots/bubbles on the chart.
The option to reconstruct size of aggressor order in both places will be available in the next update next week.
Last Updated on April 26, 2022