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This is exactly what I was trying to say, just written more coherently.
I don’t want to give away my hard work for free, and I also don’t want to sell it because capitalizing on others hopes and dreams leaves a sour taste in my mouth.
In our imagination, someone revealing something close to HG or however giving an edge to his audience.
If viral , a model (if not) becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy but at least something with noticeable effects on the sidelines could give an "extra-edge", at a certain point, to the good samaritan by anticipation...but could ,in the long run, much of the early momentum beginning to dissipate ?
I now have one hypothetical situation though, I would like peoples opinion if they are willing here.
Trader A thinks of 100's of ideas and tests them to pin down some sort of edge, it can be one or combination of many, but he is still to convert it into consistent performing machine. Main reason is that he is the one developing it but lacks confidence in himself/his edge. He has been in Market for years and worked hard for it, he may feel "its not that easy".
Then newbie B comes along and for one reason or other (Be it money/personal favors etc), he learns "bit of that edge" from trader A, but trader B has so much confidence in trader A's ability that even that "bit" he is able to trade with full confidence, and surprise surprise, he makes money more often than not, at least more than trader A for period of time.
Trader A sees this success and starts doubting himself more, at least starts believing he doesn't have psychological makeup for being a trader as clearly his bits and pieces system is working for others. But in reality he was only being little careful as he was sure of randomness of the market and his edge was not yet full proof.
So now he has done damage to himself both psychologically as well as lost some of his edge to someone else. Now, does he recover and continue to be trader? Or become trainer? Or start developing new edge as he has lost his current advantage which he himself didn't trade and needs to find new one?
Relevance here is that while B thinks he has gotten his hands on holy grail, or at least in some form or shape a working method, was this transaction a "giving/teaching someone holy grail" or in reality "Holy grail" part of the process was always "you", or in this case "trader B"?
Don't forget that with HFT they spend extra for microseconds and if lucky add up to a couple milliseconds advantage buying FPGA chips with custom HFT friendly enhancements, microwave instead of fiber so it's direct line of sight saving a few turns, and then there is or course the obligatory colocation at CME, staff of amazing math guys, and with the best firms there will be teams writing custom code for their own execution.
That is not a game someone without deep pockets can play.
Retail has much better odds going as far away from scalping as possible. The more distance from scalping to swing trading the better the odds in my opinion, often resulting in far better R returns. But retail doesn't like a big stop, they've been brainwashed into thinking a few ticks is enough...
BTW, I'm pretty certain even if @artemiso came in and laid out bullet points on how they accomplish their edge, there is a near zero chance it could be put into action without the personnel he has assembled.
Simply knowing the "holy grail" isn't enough. Look at TT's new algo spread trader, anyone can program any market they wish and try to make a market and profit from arbs. But it won't be enough by itself to make you profitable, even though those who do this "for real" are profitable. Many pieces to the puzzle beyond simple knowledge.
If there is a Holy Grail for us retailers it probably is a system that doesn't trade too much, stays longer in trades, doesn't use too much leverage, does as many small diversivied bets on many different assets as possible, all having some economic rationale and some positive expectancy
This is what I've always understood to be the "Holy Grail" in trading. (which I don't believe exists). A system that gives exact entries and exits in every market and every time frame and is never wrong.
In my opinion, the realistic "Holy Grail" would pertain more to money management and having a consistent "setup" or "edge" that is profitable over time and having the mental fortitude to be able to consistently execute your entries and exits.
I am not sure it is the Holy Grail, but the old adage that 95% of retail traders lose 90% of their account in six months does provide some clues.
As mentioned in a previous post money management is the priority - new traders in my opinion should not use margin.
Taking the opposite side of the retail traders position can also help, Timing your entry and exits, plus improving your anticipated profits by relating them to the ATR is also a positive.
Volume and Momentum plus session timing is the closest I have found to my Holy Grail.