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Would you share your Holy Grail?

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hclara
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Having traded for quite some years now, I can say that our BRAINS, as humans, have the ability to recognize patterns and setups that have seen in the past and form an "opinion" as to what trade to make. When such event occurs and my brain gives me the "trade", then without any hesitation I will start by placing a "Collar" position which makes known the "cost" of the trade right then and there. That "Collar" position is then adjusted as the "trade" develops. Keeping an eye on the "Options" volume and open interest further helps the "Brain" to recognize how the trade is progressing. Do I use any "indicators"? NO. I used to in the beginning, like anybody else (out of fear of the unknown and fear for my money). Some trading platforms, like the one I use from Interactive Brokers, have the ability to show with color if a price/volume/open interest is increasing (green), or decreasing (orange) from the previous value. That makes it extremely helpful for the "Brain" to make a decision as to how the "trade" is progressing. It would take someone some trading experience (of few painful years) to have one's "brain" reach that level, but eventually one will reach it hopefully still having money to continue to trade. One concept that has helped me a lot, and I have mentioned it here in past postings, is Rob Smith's "RevStrat" as he calls it. It has really made my life as a trader less painful and much more profitable. So there you have it, this is my "Holy Grail" in trading. Wishing everybody happy and profitable trading and keep looking at the price action, thus continuing your brain's training and eventually you will trade successfully.

There are several ways of making money in the mkt. , one needs to find what works for them . I started with stocks and lost . I then went to options and lost . I finally realized I had no idea what I was doing . I then realized trading was business not some game . You better have a plan and a good one . I have been doing this for almost 30 years now and I am still learning new methods and adapting to the changes over the years . I don't care what business you are in you better be ready for what's around the corner or you won't survive . The last I heard only 7 % of the people survive more then a year in this business . Price action certainly is a key factor for any trader .

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 Emmanuel Erskine 
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an old piece I wrote on humility...

I was waxing nostalgic when I was reminded of one of my mentor's favorite precepts…

Not that it was anyone's business, and not that anyone really cared, but after the trading day was over, one was often asked matter-of-factly, "So how'd you do today?" Even back-in-the day (on the floor of all places) traders doled out socially acceptable responses to this very probing question. These responses were realistically based on a hierarchical assessment of one's intra-day p&l.

Ranging from bad to worse, were the losing days…

- they got me
- got killed
- at least I got my health

Ranging from good to better, were the winning days

- not a bad day
- got 'em
- had a nice week today

A gentleman never kisses and tells; and a trader does not provide full disclosure about his performance; the trader should instead exhibit humility. For those on the left, humility may be seen as political correctness by a different name, while those on the right may see it as a way of stifling free expression. However, like a poker player without a tell, one should never be able to discern if a trader had a good day or a bad one. A trader shouldn't whine, or proffer excuses on bad days; and there should be neither bragging, nor hubris tendered on the good ones.

Trading makes strange bedfellows. Individuals from disparate backgrounds with varying opinions, beliefs, and philosophies are brought together by their passion for profit. But, what should also unite them is a shared belief that humility is not only there to protect them, but is a kind of moral compass that should always remain a virtue.


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"Build Wealth while you learn how to Make Money"

uhhh yup.

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johndc
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I think even the big short positions we all think need publicity are kept private (Jim Chanos said he only publicises 20% of trades, I guess the ones they need help with).

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Rustic
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There is no holly grail per se but there are certain tricks you learn with experience that come very close to it, unfortunately they too cannot eliminate losers.

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There is no holly grail per se but there are certain tricks you learn with experience that come very close to it, unfortunately they too cannot eliminate losers.

There's no holy grail per se depends on your definition.
Why would you want to eliminate losers ? That's like being a Madoff.
The tricks that you learn with experience will then make YOU the holy grail.
There may not be a Holy Grail per se but maybe there are lots of holy grails.

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There's no holy grail per se depends on your definition.
Why would you want to eliminate losers ? That's like being a Madoff.
The tricks that you learn with experience will then make YOU the holy grail.
There may not be a Holy Grail per se but maybe there are lots of holy grails.

my point exactly!

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Just follow any futures chart for 30 days after market.
Mark and document the pivots. Figure out if you could anticipate these pivots on live market.
Try it in SIM ....and repeat till you have success....then trade live.....and face the devils in the mind.....
the first part (documenting and SIM trading) takes longer but is relatively easy(of course you need strong basics in support/resistance ...supply demand .trend lines....patterns etc.)...but the second part is a killer....my 2 c. I am struck in second part....SIM some days looks easy....don't know what happens when trading live....

You can practise your skills all day long, but it's comparatively easy to get better at playing. The hard thing is to get better at winning--anonymous
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SunTrader
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At the top of each page of this topic is the original OP question: "Would you share your Holy Grail?"

and not what is the Holy Grail?

But I can now put an end to all of this by linking to THE Holy Grail:


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Zakalwe
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I honestly don't get why these questions even exist. We all know there is no Holy Grail, and frankly, anyone who has met many aspiring traders will know that even if such a thing existed, most people wouldn't actually follow it correctly. We have oodles of accounts of people being given systems that they can't work because it doesn't fit their trading style, or they self-sabotage.

Trading is simple, but not easy. That's the aphorism I hear all the time. And it's true. My method is a piece of piss (not sure where people come from saying opportunities are lacking, or you need to outbrain Ph.Ds working for Bobby Axelrod) and the expectancy from it won't be going away without markets literally failing in how they operate. You don't compete with the big boys, you latch on to them like a remora. Of course, if you're going to try and scalp in a post-HFT world, you're going to have a bad time. Swing trading intraday? It's an ATM if you have any nous about you. Took me 2.5 years of trading financial markets, and several months trading sports markets, to figure the whole market movement thing out, but there you go. Cost of doing business.

I've also even given out exactly how I trade in one of the (now three) posts I've made on here. So, in answer to the question, yeah, I guess I would, and already have. And it changes nothing.

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