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Day trading - Considering throwing in the towel for good.

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Not sure why someone as successful as yourself was compelled to refute my statements which were broad strokes about most retail daytraders.

I am not the one starting threads about contemplating being out of the business. I don't care if you have a day job or a hand job, I took the time to respond to your thread to hopefully talk some sense into others who may stumble on your thread that's all.

Working in the corporate world isn't for you then do something you can make money at for your time and gain a real world skill. When you are a very successful trader then people want you to trade for them. You will turn down opm because you don't want the headache of dealing with people.

You did prove my point though...you are a part time trader with a day job who thinks somehow he will figure out trading while doing it part time and going back and forth about stopping and starting!!!

Most ultra successful day traders don't have jobs during the day because they are trading and making money.

I'm not meaning to be harsh or to pick on you but don't start threads asking for advice just to try and argue about other people opinions of exactly what you stated.

The correct response would have been.

Thank you for you input but I'm going to keep at it!

I never said I was successful or ultra succesful. My first post on this thread was as honest as it could be.

Trading part-time while holding a full time job is obviously far from ideal, but with a remote work solution and limiting my trading hours it should work out at least in theory. Further, I've been at this for a long time including full time on multiple occasions, so I have my system worked out. As such, my only job in the week is to execute my system and keep up to speed with the market.

I was mostly writing this thread as therapy. Maybe it could warn some others just starting out. Maybe I'd get some replies from people who once was in the same situation, pushed on and came out out of it successful.

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In your OP you mentioned you have stuck with same approach for long time.

I think, that along with the feeling I get from reading this thread is that you actually don't enjoy the process.

You enjoy making money sure, but not necessarily daily grind.


This makes it obvious that you have no edge and you don't enjoy trying to find edge either, you may have made money on and off, but blowing it off was only natural here, I think you are right about moving on to something else, you gave your passion a shot but the process to be successful at it is not for you, not a judgment from me but your self admission.

Don't change your mind about quitting, you will regret it, opportunity cost is real if your only other alternative is active day job.

Another thing, swing trading is not a bad thing, I don't know why ppl think its comparatively less lucrative than dray trading, its not. But you do need good capital for that. That also requires edge or at least ability to understand some basics about business, you can only be lucky for so long.

To be in that very niche 1-3%, you not only need edge but also ability to develop one again and again.

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"Most if not all social media claimed successful traders are probably just stroking their ego's (if not selling something), if I was making big bucks trading I would make sure no body knew about it."

This is also a reason I mostly ignore such claims, I only look for info that may be helpful in my own process.
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So full discretion, don't take this as criticism from someone seating on the high ground, I'm not. I'm not a guru, nor am I making consistent money, but I sure as hell enjoy the process and have ample semi-passive income sources.

Just my 2c.

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In your OP you mentioned you have stuck with same approach for long time.

I think, that along with the feeling I get from reading this thread is that you actually don't enjoy the process.

You enjoy making money sure, but not necessarily daily grind.

I've been at this for well over 10 years. Periodically full-time and pretty much all my free time when not (weekends, evenings, etc.).

I don't think I could not have enjoyed the process if that was the case. I'd given up much sooner.

However, at the end of the day, the goal is to eventually be making money. Hence my doubts.

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September last year was a good month. I'm off to a good start this September, too, so let's see if I can match it.

17/22 winning days.

I've had similar months, but this was what I had archived on my new computer.

I've had such good periods I find it hard to believe I don't have an edge.


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September last year was a good month. I'm off to a good start this September, too, so let's see if I can match it.

17/22 winning days.

I've had similar months, but this was what I had archived on my new computer.

I've had such good periods I find it hard to believe I don't have an edge.
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A five-sigma result is considered the gold standard for significance ;-)
https://news.mit.edu/2012/explained-sigma-0209

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A five-sigma result is considered the gold standard for significance ;-)
https://news.mit.edu/2012/explained-sigma-0209

What I do know is that I had a breakthrough of sorts when I started riding my winners while respecting my stops/losses.

This alone had a huge effect on my performance.

No changes in the system per se. Just riding my winners all the way to target. In the past, I would take full losses and take small winners.

So, these good periods have given me some faith, but maybe it's still just luck.

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I've been at this for well over 10 years. Periodically full-time and pretty much all my free time when not (weekends, evenings, etc.).

I don't think I could not have enjoyed the process if that was the case. I'd given up much sooner.

However, at the end of the day, the goal is to eventually be making money. Hence my doubts.

Understandable, you have my best wishes in your future journey, trading or not.

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Understandable, you have my best wishes in your future journey, trading or not.

Likewise, buddy!

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Hello again, Howard ...

Interesting thread, of course. I've hardly been online here for the last 2-3 months (been ill, long story, not worth repeating and not relevant anyway), but am recently back and have just read the whole thread all in one go (just explaining why I didn't comment earlier!).



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Could always go down the 'funded company' path, but not sure it's worthwhile...


I must say, this is exactly what I found myself thinking, quite strongly, as I read each page.

I'm also not sure it's worthwhile, but it's definitely what I'd be thinking about, in your situation.

I think it takes a lot of care, thought, research and planning (perhaps especially in the light of one or two recent events in the industry), but I strongly suspect that it can - with appropriate care - be worthwhile, and from all you've said, I think it's what I'd be considering in your situation, rather than considering throwing in the towel.

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September last year was a good month. ...

17/22 winning days.

Your focus seems to be on winning 'days'. You may have other performance metrics like RR, PF, MAE, MFE but have not shared yet. I would say those boring stats are far far more useful than ego boosting 'winning days'. I am glad that you are shifting your focus on the 'winners' and letting them run. That became the game changer for me.

Take my suggestions with a pinch of salt as I became profitable only 2 years ago after trying partime for 7+ years. I am yet to cross 10k annual profit barrier (but has >50k passive income and a 6 figure regular job).

My inspiration came from widely followed @GFIs1 thread in this site. Main take aways for me are

1. Day-trading does NOT have to be over-trading.
2. End of the day or fixed time targets can be very profitable.
3. Most important one is 'Losers should be smaller (often much smaller) than winners.

Good Luck. We need it. Lots of it.

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