Vinny's Collective2 trading record is very bad. That's his only verified trading record. Even before his final catastrophic loss he has had massive drawdowns the first of which looks like at least 30-50%

In His FAKE 4-5 month trading contest against Ross Cameron in 2021, he does not even have any 3rd party verification that he was trading real money.

All his FAKE Trading Contest videos were from a private livestream that were posted public later. Does that sound legit to you?

Do you realize that if he had taken a HUGE loss on any given day of his "Contest" He simply would NOT have posted that day's trading video and would have ended the contest right there leaving his "P&L" in positive territory?

Hello Analytic,

Can you please explain what is so bad about this video?

The equity curve is at nearly $200,000 net profit and all I see is the trader taking a loss on one trade.

I would love to take one loss on one trader with $200,000 made so far.

Good Morning Analytic,

Thank you for the review.

I was not aware of his C2 trading record. I see it was bad and was 3 years ago as well. Perhaps he is a better trader now.

In the last trading video of the contest he shows equity curve going to nearly $131,000 net profits in 56 days of trading live. Not major drawdowns see below.

Are you saying this equity curve is fake live trading for 56 days?

I am not trying pick a debate here as I could be wrong, but $131,000 in 56 days of trading for a few hours a day starting with about $5000 account, man that is dream for most retail traders.

I have to give his Vinny his props man on what he did. Unless you saying that equity curve in NinjaTrader is fake. Let me know please

Mostly likely that equity curve is fake. We have asked for audited records from him for years but have never received them. We know from his past C2 track record that he is a losing trader.

Hello Analytic,

That is not fair my friend. Give his Vinny is rewards and props. He traded 56 days live and posted his real time stats every single day. I can respect a man for showing his trading results in real time.

You cannot discredit Vinny hard work with saying stuff like "Mostly likely that equity curve is fake. It is not fake unless you can prove it is fake.

He traded well and this something retail traders need to see for inspiration.

Those c2 results was 3 years ago. All traders had their periods of trading where the performance was not good. Atleast he was courage enough to post his real time trading.

In 2021, he traded well for all to see.

1) I find it very hard to believe that you were NOT aware of Vinny's C2 record since I have posted my video of it in this thread.

2) 56 days of trading is nothing. Great traders have excellent multi-year audited track records and/or have won legit audited trading contests. Vinny has none of these.

3) The equity curve could very well be fake (i.e sim paper trading) as we have not seen any audited broker statements from Vinny.

4) The contest was fake and therefore not a dream for traders but a trap for desperate retail traders that believe this nonsense.

How can you be in a trading contest with someone who never knew they were in a contest?

That’s fraud to claim you won something that didn’t even exist.

All he is doing is likely stretching for SEO entanglement to get his brand next to others, but still pathetically has what appears to be around 30 people in his live stream after around 7 years of streaming.
That’s the real reason he did it imho.

I find it very hard to believe that you were NOT aware of Vinny's C2 record since I have posted my video of it in this thread.

2) 56 days of trading is nothing. Great traders have excellent multi-year audited track records and/or have won legit audited trading contests. Vinny has none of these.

Hello


I may have skipped over it. Yes, his stats on C2 is ugly indeed.

Are C2 stats of him manual trading?





I agree ,I would love to see another day trader with more than 56 days of trading. Do you have any other trader I can compare to Vinny 56 days of trader with these type high profits?

It is with the greatest regret that I see that the Vinny question is returning again to futures.io.

First, let me say that I think that @goodoboy is completely honest in his opinions and in his personal integrity, and have long thought so.

Second, I think that @Analytic is also honest in his opinions. I also think that he is strongly opposed to Vinny for reasons that extend beyond what has been discussed in this forum. Like many others, he has been struggling with Vinny in many different contexts, and they have a long history of mutual disagreement. His critiques of Vinny are often very much on point and informative.

As for myself, I do not know anything about Vinny except what he has shown by his actions in this forum. And while that is a lot, I will say that it does not mean that he may (or may not) be a good trader, one way or another.

But as to what I know from this forum:

He was banned from futures.io long ago for vendor self-promotion. He is a dedicated self-promoter who relentlessly uses his published material to find new subscribers.

A year or two ago he orchestrated an extended spam attack on futures.io by this members, filling the forum with tons of spam that he sent his subscribers here to make (we have seen where he threatened them with losing their license to his systems if they didn't), lavishly praising his methods and results. In that campaign we deleted, in self-defense, tons of of spam posts from this followers, all intended only to hype interest and sales for his system. You can look back to that time on the forum, although mainly what you will see is many, many posts deleted for spam, from brand-new users we had had never seen before, or as we started to call it, "Vinny spam."

He and his followers have spammed other sites the same way, where they push extremely positive views of his trading and negatives of others, always seeking more sign-ups. There must be a reason he seeks them.

I do not know if he is the trading genius he claims to be, or the fake that others claim him to be. I do know that he and his mob of spammer followers are not welcome here.

Which brings things back to the latest posts by @goodoboy and @Analytic.

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I do not make a judgement on whether someone is genuine or not in what they say, but it is my unfortunate job to try to keep things civil here, so that people will have a chance to make up their minds for themselves. With Vinny that was practically impossible, given his, and his follower's, intense promotion of his material, and their attacks on everyone else.

So: @goodoboy, if you want to do more with Vinny, then go ahead and spend all that money he askes for (yeah, I know, he talks about a free trial; there will be some money to spend eventually) and see if it works out for you. Give it a true fair test with actual real money on the line in the market in live trading. If it works, or if it doesn't, then feel free to report back here either way with your results.

But please do not post here about how great Vinny is just based on what he has said about his trading, nor even about what he says he can "prove". Do it yourself, with your money, and then report your results. If all you do is repeat more about Vinny's claims, you should know that there is too much of that Vinny-stuff jamming up this forum already. And if any of it is true, that would be a true-life miracle.

On the other hand, your own, honest, real-time and real-money results will always be welcome, as will be anyone's. But do it, don't write about what he says he has done. Talk is very cheap.

There has been more than enough of this nonsense here already. If someone reports their own actual, real-life results, that is great. If it's just chewing the same stuff, and going over the many, many Vinny claims and videos and promotional material, just leave it.

I hope I have not offended either of you, but there has been more than enough of Vinny and his self-promotion here.

Come up with something new, and real, or just let this wretched thread die from general lack of interest, as it should have already.

Thank you, sincerely.

Bob.

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Edit: this post was edited to try to make the point more clear. Anyone who is interested in Vinny's material should feel free to raise any questions they have. But in the end, real-life experience is far more valuable than just accepting someone's self-promotional advertising claims.

What is not needed is more of the claims, or more rehashing of them. There is more than enough of that here already.