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Although MRCI Seasonal Chart shows that going Long HOM20 - Short HOF20 could be a good spread , the volumes are pretty low.
Is anyone considering this as a possible trade?

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I am also watching this spread, but we are deeply under 5 and 15 year average. Good entry time should be in the middle of november.

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I am also watching this spread, but we are deeply under 5 and 15 year average. Good entry time should be in the middle of november.

The daily chart currrently follows the seasonal chart quite nicely, which supports the idea of this spread. COT data is bullish, which does not support.

In case of a significant success regarding the issues with China, HO might be drawn up with CL. This could be a problem for this spread.

I do not intend to trade CL, HO, or RB bullish or bearish, as long as there is no solution of the China / US trading problems. The only trade in these commodities I am interested in is RB-HO.

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Although MRCI Seasonal Chart shows that going Long HOM20 - Short HOF20 could be a good spread , the volumes are pretty low.
Is anyone considering this as a possible trade?

The below is from my colleague, Mark O'Brien, whom I personally consider an expert when it comes to seasonal spreads:

The spread idea from Moore Research Center, Inc. (MRCI) – buying June ’20 heating oil (N.Y. Harbor ULSD) and selling Jan. ’20 heating oil – can be entered / exited via a spread order without giving up too much. During regular daytime trading hours – say 8:00 A.M. – 4:00 P.M., Central Time – the bid/ask spread is typically anywhere between ±2 and ±10 points wide ($8.40 - $84) with typically ±25-100 bids / asks within 10 tics on both sides of the last trade. Certainly these characteristics rank at the lower end of the liquidity scale, but any decent depth-of-market display will aid in the placement – and execution - of a reasonably-priced limit order.

As for the spread’s attraction, looking at the information MRCI provided, this year it appears to have tracked its 15-yr. seasonal pattern quite well since May right up to MRCI’s 10/22 entry date; it hasn’t traded below it low close of ±Sept. 16 and its -7.92 entry price (based on the spread’s closing price on 10/22) is the 5th lowest of the last 16 years.

And so far, so good. As of yesterday’s close, the spread is up $214.20 having suffered no mor ethan a 1-point ($4.20) set-back since 10/22.



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This spread has turned out to be pretty good. As of yesterday the profit is close to $1100 per lot, as per the MRCI recommendation.

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