Hi everyone

I have an issue with take profit trader firm.

They seem to consider ATM bots as algo trading bots.

I used advance atm dynamic bot since NT8 atm is very simple and fixed.

I open all trades manually but it gets managed by atm bot.

Now ninjatrader refuse to integrate 3rd party or even changing their own atm.

Coders confirm it's impossible so the atm bot looks like strategy.

TPT decided to not understand it's it atm bot not algo trading bot.

Did anyone face such an issue and how did you solve it?

Do you know any firm that allow atm bot?

trend train 

Hi everyone I have an issue with take profit trader firm. They seem to consider ATM bots as algo trading bots. I used advance atm dynamic bot since NT8 atm is very simple and fixed. I open all trades manually but it gets managed by atm bot. Now ninjatrader refuse to integrate 3rd party or even changing their own atm. Coders confirm it's impossible so the atm bot looks like strategy. TPT decided to not understand it's it atm bot not algo trading bot. Did anyone face such an issue and how did you solve it? Do you know any firm that allow atm bot?

TPT has been pretty upfront and clear they don't allow any types of bots, they don't care if its an algo bot, ATM bot, or weather bot, they just don't want them. From their rules on their help desk about bots

Quoting 

Trading bots/Algos We have seen MILLIONS lost when retail traders try and trade on very small timeframes (hundreds of trades lasting a few seconds), so we DO NOT allow this. Source: https://takeprofittraderhelp.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/15171769361053-Are-the-rules-the-same This is the page for their "PRO" account which is the 1st funded account in their Test (Simulation trading only) > PRO (Simulation trading, profits can be withdrawn) > PRO+ (Live trading, profits can be withdrawn) phasing of account progression

I do not trade with bots and do not have recommendation for how you to solve this problem with them, but I would suggest you check these other popular firms to see if they allow the bots:
The Futures Desk
Tradeify
BluSky
Topstep

trend train 

Hi everyone I have an issue with take profit trader firm. They seem to consider ATM bots as algo trading bots. I used advance atm dynamic bot since NT8 atm is very simple and fixed. I open all trades manually but it gets managed by atm bot. Now ninjatrader refuse to integrate 3rd party or even changing their own atm. Coders confirm it's impossible so the atm bot looks like strategy. TPT decided to not understand it's it atm bot not algo trading bot. Did anyone face such an issue and how did you solve it? Do you know any firm that allow atm bot?

just refactor the ninjascript as an indicator instead of strategy

planetkill 

just refactor the ninjascript as an indicator instead of strategy

This seems an elite level solution. Never thought of it. Many thanks sounds the problem solved I will ask my coder to do that.

Many thanks planetkill

trend train 

This seems an elite level solution. Never thought of it. Many thanks sounds the problem solved I will ask my coder to do that. Many thanks planetkill

No problem! I did something similar where I have my custom ATM ninjascript code within OnBarUpdate(), and set it for the indicator to calc in each tick. I did mine so that when activated, it would move the stop loss automatically by 1 tick below the previous bar

planetkill 

No problem! I did something similar where I have my custom ATM ninjascript code within OnBarUpdate(), and set it for the indicator to calc in each tick. I did mine so that when activated, it would move the stop loss automatically by 1 tick below the previous bar

Nice sounds good to hear other traders using smart dynamic atm system.

I wish you more success and wealth in your

trading.

many thanks for the help.

Can they actually see how the order was placed?

What if I use the Jigsaw plugin version? Would that be considered as a trading bot?

For live accounts, I understand their concern, but most of these accounts are just demo accounts. Can they block these 3rd party plugins?

MrGekko 

Can they actually see how the order was placed? What if I use the Jigsaw plugin version? Would that be considered as a trading bot? For live accounts, I understand their concern, but most of these accounts are just demo accounts. Can they block these 3rd party plugins?

@MrGekko,

Great questions that many prop traders face. Let me address each point with some technical insight:

Can they detect how orders are placed?

Yes, absolutely. Prop firms use sophisticated order flow analysis systems that examine:

• Time intervals between order placement/modification
• Click-to-execution timing patterns
• Order size consistency patterns
• Stop/limit placement algorithms
• Market data request patterns from your platform

These systems can identify "algorithmic fingerprints" even from manual-assist tools.

Jigsaw Plugin Detection:

Unfortunately, Jigsaw and similar DOM tools often create detectable patterns:

• Consistent order ladder positioning
• Predictable bracket order timing
• Standardized risk management triggers
• API call patterns that differ from pure manual trading

Most firms would likely classify this as algorithmic assistance, even though you're initiating trades manually.

Demo vs Live Account Detection:

The monitoring systems typically apply the same detection rules to demo accounts. They're testing for compliance with their live account rules from day one. The technology doesn't distinguish between account types for pattern analysis.

3rd Party Plugin Blocking:

They can't technically "block" plugins, but they can:

• Detect usage through order pattern analysis
• Terminate accounts for terms violations
• Require platform-native tools only

Practical Suggestion:

Before using any tool, reach out directly to your prop firm's compliance team. Some firms have approved tool lists, while others provide clarity on what constitutes "manual trading" in their system.

Which prop firms are you primarily considering? Some have more lenient policies than others regarding order management tools.

What's your experience been with different firms' detection sensitivity?

-- Fi
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