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You seem to be confusing a lot of different points:
1 - The room does not utilize mBox. In fact Mike(S) actually tells people to remove all the mBox stuff if they want to make money, he calls that stuff "shit".
2 - You do not need to join the room if you want to learn mBox. The rooms primarily set-up is the pull-back to moving averages. No mBox needed, in fact they don't teach any set-ups off mBox.
Mike(S) only contributes to the room, he is not the owner, that is Matt Bowen. As you said, you have never been o the room let alone heard Mike(S) view on certain topics (people of color) they are frankly abhorrent.
As regards taking responsibility for your own education, well if I signed up to learn accounting because that's what the course implied but the teacher started teaching marketing, would I be happy - No I would not. The room was sold as a means to LEARNING mBox which it clearly was failing to do. That is the point
A good teacher looks at a students strengths and weaknesses and then determines a course of action. That room teaches one set-up and if you can't get it (because that trading style does not fit your personality) as someone else mentioned, you are ridiculed and berated. The room simply cannot teach another set-up because it does not have one. It's either learn the one set-up or get lost as you are rubbish. Hardly a sign of a good teacher is it?
As you said, you have never been to the room so I hardly think you are qualified to comment on it. Leave the comments on the room to those who have experienced it.
Have you watched the free youtube videos with the designer? He repeatedly shows over dozens of videos to build a frame work. How many x have you written notes on the videos? How many x have you tried to build trading plans for yourself and the day through the designers frame work integrating Wyckoff and the indicators? How many times have you read Wyckoff ?
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I have not bashed the room - I haves said they do not teach mBox which is fact.
I have said they teach only one basic set-up and they have no others basic set-ups to each - that is fact.
I have been in the room - that is fact.
You have not - that is also fact.
The videos is not what people paid for when they joined the room - in fact, about until maybe last year, the videos were non existent (I joined 2018)
And when did I bash the indicaor? My whole point is that the room does not teach the indicators or Wyckoff - that is the point which you seem to be so getting confused over. yet that is what people pay money on the understanding they will be learning (ie. people taking personally responsibility to learn).
You don't know if you are defending the room or the indicator, or both. You certainly have zero right to defend the room considering you have never been in there (your own words). So please tell me who is better qualified to talk about the room? You or I?
With regards the mBox indicator, what I said was that it could be created freely on Sierra for that is also fact.
You talk about people taking responsibility for their education yet when they do but the education was not what was advertised, you seem to think its still the vendor is not to be blamed.
My lack of post does not mean my posting have no relevance especially as they come from direct knowledge about the matter.
You said complaints about the indicators and room.
You fail to take responsibility. Blame other people. You do not want to trade how they trade in the room. You want to trade how you trade. You blame the teacher, the teaching style and everything else.
You have 10+ posts against this room of a total 23 or so posts.
The grand father package was sold with the implication that it would teach mBox. It clearly was not doing this. So yes I feel cheated.
I signed up to learn a very particular aspect only then to be taught something else. This is called mis-representation. Not sure what you are finding so hard to understand.
Let me ask you a question. If you signed up to learn how to trade via the Dom based on a particular advertising, yet the teacher started teaching moving average set-ups, how would you feel? Are you saying you are wrong for wanting to learn Dom or is the teacher wrong for teaching what you signed up for? It's really is that simple.
For someone who claims he has never been in to the room or knows anything about it, you sure are wasting an awful lot of time defending it. Why?
And for your information, my claims have been validated by others who fell for the blatant mis-representation.
Oh and if you read carefully, I have written that what they teach works wonderfully for some, it just wasn't what I wanted as I already had that and was looking to add something else to my knowledge base.
So again, why such a defence of something you have zero experience of knowledge of?
So what if I have 10 posts out of 24 - I am sharing what I have experience of (which others have also backed up) whereas you are defending that which you have zero experince of. So who should people believe, you with zero knoweldge in this matter or those who have experience in this matter?