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Hi, I am seeing some older HP workstations with impressive power for reasonable pricing. Specifically the HP Z840. The one I am looking at has 2 E5-2699 V4 CPUs w/ 44 cores total. 256GB Ram and some nice SSD's
Can NinjaTrader take advantage of a system like this when back testing and also when running multiple charts/indicators/strategies at the same time.
I see a lot of them being turned into gaming rigs but I don't see anything specific to trading.

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Hi, I am seeing some older HP workstations with impressive power for reasonable pricing. Specifically the HP Z840. The one I am looking at has 2 E5-2699 V4 CPUs w/ 44 cores total. 256GB Ram and some nice SSD's
Can NinjaTrader take advantage of a system like this when back testing and also when running multiple charts/indicators/strategies at the same time.
I see a lot of them being turned into gaming rigs but I don't see anything specific to trading.

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I am not sure if it will help with backtesting, but it might not help much with trading depending on the number of different instruments you are trading. Based on the information from their forums, each symbol is assigned to one thread, regardless of how many windows or charts you have opened. So, if you trade one symbol with multiple windows and timeframes, they all use the same one thread. Less, stronger cores would be better in that case. That's why NT can get so easily overwhelmed and slow down.

If you trade multiple different instruments then more cores will help since each will get their own thread.

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Can NinjaTrader take advantage of a system like this

Not really! Although NT8 is multi-core.. It still only uses 1 core per instrument..
Even w/40 cores, Don't expect 25 charts all of the same instrument to load any faster..

Not that it's a bad machine.. Own 820 and 620 both dual processor for many years..
In their day.. these were very fine machines.. and still are for the most part!

But with normal everyday NT usage.. 8/16 faster cores will perform better than 40 slower..
My 820 finally died after 8+ years and recently built 17 12700k w/64g using onboard video..

No real comparison between 620 w/3060 video and the new I7 with just onboard..
For me.. NT8 both loads and performs better in every way with the new faster I7!

Significantly better when talking just NT8! But this just my personal experience..



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Thanks everyone for the fast responses and feedback.
I've decided to go with an i7-13700 build instead of fooling around with this old HP workstation

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One thing I will say about Xeon workstations, is that they never ever crash. Assume its the ECC Memory

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One thing I will say about Xeon workstations, is that they never ever crash. Assume its the ECC Memory

That, and also the fact that they're just not overclocked. They're designed for max stability sitting in a server rack. While they talk about "professional applications" I wouldn't dream of putting a Xeon in a desktop machine.

Earlier this year I upgraded my old Ryzen 7 2700X to a Ryzen 9 7900X. Fantastic CPU. 12 core / 24 thread, hums along at almost 5GHz, has a big 64MB L3 cache. It never complains, purrs along, and best of all doesn't have that nasty "Intel" in its name I kid, I kid (a little).
Someone else mentioned a 3060 in this thread. I use an RTX 3060 to drive 4 4k@60 displays, and it does so beautifully. I have 64GB RAM because, why not, and the result is a machine that just gets out of your way and lets you make or lose money without being able to attribute it to the machine

Very similar to the i7 that Maxin went with.

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All my boxes are ordered via my brokers (Advantage Futures) IT group who have a relationship with Dell. They recommend the specs. When I was collocated it was all Dell 620 servers. My desktop's have all been Dell Xeon workstations. For the desktops I've always wondered about the slower clock speeds but it seems to work very well for me. I have three (sometimes four) different trading systems open (TT, Stellar, WebICE & sometimes Tradestation) and three very large spreadsheets and Microsoft Access. Everything else is on a different box. Current box is quite old (2020) and has dual Xeon Silver 4215's, 16 cores, 32 threads each (so 32+64 in reality). All just hums along so I don't see the need to upgrade. Of course all of the hard work on TT and Stellar is done on collocated servers not on my desktop.

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