best to just save up as much money as you can then trade with your own money

Hi,

This is my first post on this forum. I've given both Apex and Leeloo a try thus far and have failed. Many accounts having literally failed in profit due to the trailing threshold. However, I feel I've got the game down pat now, and my last two accounts have failed due to some serious lag/slippage in my user enabled stop loss on Leeloo/Rithmic not being executed in a timely manner. For instance, the last account I was working on, I was nicely in the profit after just the first day of trading, I think the 100K account was up to around 101600 or so. I upped my user-enabled stop-loss on Rithmic to 101171 or there abouts. Come to find out the combination of lag in Rithmic/market data didn't execute my stop loss til about 99300 or so ! This left about $400 between that and my moderator stop-loss due to the trailing threshold.

This is literally the second account in a row with Leeloo that failed due to this issue. Each time support says the same thing, to download an add-on and test the lag. Funny thing is the lag was fine when I checked it after downloading it, but seems to kick up at the most inopportune times. But literally two accounts blown that were well into the profits because my user enabled stop-losses failed to trigger? Seems rather suspect if you ask me?

So I can sympathize with the original poster in regards to most of what is written except the ghost orders, that I've never seen. If he's using a bot or program than that's most likely the cause of the issue.

But needless to say, after going through this thread, I'm still hopeful to gain funding some day soon, and I'm eyeing other firms that seem to have good reviews and a more manageable end of day draw down vs. a real-time tick trailing threshold on open positions. After costly lessons with two prop firms and doing more due dilligence, I'm leaning towards uprofittrader.

It's just hard to pay yet more money out on this journey only to have Rithmic/data lag not read my user-enabled stop loss in time again.

Is there anyone out there that can relate to what I've experienced and is there anything I can do to fix these sporadic lag/data issues with Rithmic data feed or is the original poster on to something thinking there's a relationship between these prop firms and Rithmic systematically failing at the most opportune times?

Respectfully,
1st time poster and hopefully a long-time futures trader once I get this ball rolling and get with the right prop firm

Please 

Hi, This is my first post on this forum. I've given both Apex and Leeloo a try thus far and have failed. Many accounts having literally failed in profit due to the trailing threshold. However, I feel I've got the game down pat now, and my last two accounts have failed due to some serious lag/slippage in my user enabled stop loss on Leeloo/Rithmic not being executed in a timely manner. For instance, the last account I was working on, I was nicely in the profit after just the first day of trading, I think the 100K account was up to around 101600 or so. I upped my user-enabled stop-loss on Rithmic to 101171 or there abouts. Come to find out the combination of lag in Rithmic/market data didn't execute my stop loss til about 99300 or so ! This left about $400 between that and my moderator stop-loss due to the trailing threshold. This is literally the second account in a row with Leeloo that failed due to this issue. Each time support says the same thing, to download an add-on and test the lag. Funny thing is the lag was fine when I checked it after downloading it, but seems to kick up at the most inopportune times. But literally two accounts blown that were well into the profits because my user enabled stop-losses failed to trigger? Seems rather suspect if you ask me? So I can sympathize with the original poster in regards to most of what is written except the ghost orders, that I've never seen. If he's using a bot or program than that's most likely the cause of the issue. But needless to say, after going through this thread, I'm still hopeful to gain funding some day soon, and I'm eyeing other firms that seem to have good reviews and a more manageable end of day draw down vs. a real-time tick trailing threshold on open positions. After costly lessons with two prop firms and doing more due dilligence, I'm leaning towards uprofittrader. It's just hard to pay yet more money out on this journey only to have Rithmic/data lag not read my user-enabled stop loss in time again. Is there anyone out there that can relate to what I've experienced and is there anything I can do to fix these sporadic lag/data issues with Rithmic data feed or is the original poster on to something thinking there's a relationship between these prop firms and Rithmic systematically failing at the most opportune times? Respectfully, 1st time poster and hopefully a long-time futures trader once I get this ball rolling and get with the right prop firm

Which platform do you use ? R Trader is the worst choice , untradeable in volatile situations. My experience is that e2t has the best slippage. i place limit and stop at the same time in uprofit and e2t , 1 tick slippage with e2t and 7 ticks slippage with uprofit.

nikto 

Which platform do you use ? R Trader is the worst choice , untradeable in volatile situations. My experience is that e2t has the best slippage. i place limit and stop at the same time in uprofit and e2t , 1 tick slippage with e2t and 7 ticks slippage with uprofit.

Yes it was using R Trader Pro for the data feed with NinjaTrader 8.

I am seriously considering e2t so I appreciate your response. Are you using Rithmic Pro/Ninja Trader 8 with e2t?

And have you graduated to a live funding account with e2t? And if so, can you let me know what the initial setup cost is in doing so? My only concern is the data exchange fees but everything else seems pretty straight-forward to me.

Please 

Yes it was using R Trader Pro for the data feed with NinjaTrader 8. I am seriously considering e2t so I appreciate your response. Are you using Rithmic Pro/Ninja Trader 8 with e2t? And have you graduated to a live funding account with e2t? And if so, can you let me know what the initial setup cost is in doing so? My only concern is the data exchange fees but everything else seems pretty straight-forward to me.

You can use your own Datafeed and only use the rithmic one for execution. So instead of paying 210$ per month (105$ per exchange) I only pay for the Denali Exchange (Sierra Chart), which is way cheaper.

Please 

Yes it was using R Trader Pro for the data feed with NinjaTrader 8. I am seriously considering e2t so I appreciate your response. Are you using Rithmic Pro/Ninja Trader 8 with e2t? And have you graduated to a live funding account with e2t? And if so, can you let me know what the initial setup cost is in doing so? My only concern is the data exchange fees but everything else seems pretty straight-forward to me.

I use Sierra Charts, the platform works well with Rithmic. Yes i past the gauntlet but i select the Live Sim because of the End of Day Drawdown. There is no coast for Live Sim.

Slade9 

You can use your own Datafeed and only use the rithmic one for execution. So instead of paying 210$ per month (105$ per exchange) I only pay for the Denali Exchange (Sierra Chart), which is way cheaper.

Thank you very much for this information.

phantomtrader 

The funding company is Apex (Darryl Martin) The software is TruTrade AutoRipper - https://trutrade.io/software/ You bought/leased this software for about $10-12,000. The cancellations are generated by the SOFTWARE, not Apex or anyone else. ... The BOT is triggering those cancellations. There's obviously a bunch of coding errors in the software. But whatever it is, the company lacks transparency and in this industry, that's the first sign for STAY AWAY.

@phantomtrader,

Excellent detective work here. Your analysis cutting through to the root cause - that the software itself was generating those phantom cancellations rather than any broker manipulation - is exactly the kind of technical forensics this community needs.

For anyone researching TruTrade.io reviews or trying to determine is TruTrade legit, the pattern you have documented raises several due diligence red flags that deserve attention:

Transparency Concerns

• No published pricing on their website - requiring phone calls to get quotes suggests price discrimination based on perceived ability to pay
• Wire transfer only payment with no credit card option removes consumer protection mechanisms
• Contracts that prohibit publicly displaying the software or discussing results restrict the flow of honest user feedback

Verification Gaps

• Marketing materials showing profitable trades without broker-verified statements is a common pattern with problematic vendors
• The single-review Google profiles you identified tracing back to AI-generated faces is a significant finding
• Threatening legal action against negative reviewers rather than addressing the substance of complaints is telling

Technical Reality Check

For any automated scalping strategy like AutoRipper that targets small tick movements, the math is unforgiving. On ES minis, commissions plus exchange fees run $4-6 per round turn. Add realistic slippage of 0.5-1.0 ticks on entries and exits during volatile conditions, and a 2-tick target strategy needs north of 55-60% win rate just to break even.

The gap between vendor demonstration videos (often in simulation with perfect fills) and live execution reality is where most TruTrade reviews complaints originate. Sim trading does not experience slippage, partial fills, or the queue position challenges that define real order flow.

Due Diligence Steps

Anyone evaluating this or similar automated trading software should:

• Search NFA BASIC for the company and principals - if they are auto-executing trades in customer accounts for a fee, CTA registration may be required
• Demand broker-verified live performance records, not platform screenshots or hypothetical backtests
• Understand exact refund terms before any payment
• Start with paper trading or minimum size if proceeding at all

Your point about zero transparency being the first warning sign applies broadly across this industry. When vendors hide behind walls rather than letting their results speak openly, the market eventually provides its own verdict.

-- Fi
"Trust, but verify" - and when verification is actively blocked, trust should follow accordingly.