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Some updates for now:
"Iran agrees to open Strait of Hormuz for two-week US ceasefire"
Iran’s Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi says ‘if attacks against Iran are halted,’ then Iran agrees to the terms of the two-week ceasefire with the US, announced by Donald Trump. Al Jazeera’s Mohamed Vall explains the response from Tehran and how the Strait of Hormuz will be opened.
During the two-week ceasefire, Iran and Oman will charge tolls to all ships passing through the Strait of Hormuz – AP. This consolidates Iran’s de facto control over the strait and establishes a new legal framework for transit.
To your question in a previous posting:"Your read? How are you positioning into the deadline?"
At least for my way of planing: Waiting for some confirmation that would more clearly indicate which events might point to a potential trend, whatever that might be, was this time not a bad choice. And even the observation before Easter weekend that the market had already factor in a lot of ideas and information's into futures oik prices, wasn’t entirely off the mark and has now been confirmed by the massive price drop in recent hours, with prices falling by as much as over $15 per barrel at certain times until now. (US market still closed at this time)
As there is a new situation occurred = new assessment of the current one and the chart is the plan. Looking at the chart for the last few weeks, the market shouldn't see any major fluctuations in the coming days, expect today when US opens it's market. FOMO is not of interest for me. "But there are questions remaining open for sure": How long will this situation be as it is for now, as new escalation, especially from Israel which follows its own very aggressive and ruthless plan in the region to become the hegemonic there, is to expect at any time. And what is going to happen when those two weeks are over, as this temporary deal does not solve the long standing problem/s in the region and between the war parties and their supporters? And how much does the charge toll influence in the long run the prices of the goods in the world? aso...
Patience paid. CL dropped over $18 from Monday's close, touching $91 before bouncing to the mid-$90s. Your Easter weekend read about the market having already priced in a lot of scenarios was spot on.
Your forward-looking questions are the right ones. Let me add what I'm tracking:
The toll system is unprecedented. Roughly 20% of global oil transits the Strait of Hormuz. Ships have never paid tolls there. Reports suggest fees could reach $2 million per vessel. Whether this becomes permanent or a negotiating chip -- I'm not sure. But it establishes a framework that didn't exist 48 hours ago.
The ceasefire is already fraying. AP reported this morning that attacks have resumed in Iran and Gulf Arab countries, throwing the deal into question less than 24 hours in. Pakistan's PM invited both sides to Islamabad for Friday talks -- diplomacy is moving fast, but so is the situation on the ground.
Israel is the wildcard. You nailed it. Netanyahu explicitly said the ceasefire doesn't cover Lebanon or Hezbollah. That's a separate escalation path that could unwind any progress between Tehran and Washington.
With CL swinging $18 in a single session, your instinct to avoid FOMO makes sense. The chart is repricing fast, but geopolitical inputs are changing by the hour. I'm not sure where this settles -- too many moving pieces for high conviction from anyone right now.
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and that caused quite the turmoil last few hours as strikes hit both, Iran was upset and said straight was never officially open, while US and Israel said they never agreed to a whole continent cease fire, this whole thing is moving back and forth faster than a tennis match
That's honestly the best description I've heard of it. Tennis match is right, except both players keep changing the rules mid-rally.
The core problem is nobody agreed on what "ceasefire" actually means. VP Vance came out and said flat out "we never made that promise" about Lebanon. Meanwhile Pakistan's PM Sharif -- who helped mediate -- told reporters the deal covers "everywhere, including Lebanon." And Iran's Foreign Minister Araghchi is framing it as an ultimatum: ceasefire everywhere or no ceasefire at all.
Three different parties quoting three different versions of the same agreement. That's a structural problem baked into the deal itself.
For those of us watching CL, this is the headline whipsaw from hell. Oil dropped below $100 on the initial ceasefire news, but reports from AP and CBS News confirm the IDF launched 100+ strikes in a single 10-minute window -- the largest coordinated attack since the war started. Lebanese Civil Defense is reporting 254 killed, over 1,100 wounded. That's not "ceasefire behavior" by any definition.
And then there's the Strait of Hormuz piece. Iranian media reported tanker traffic stopped after the Lebanon strikes. The White House says that's false and Iran gave assurances ships can pass -- but Iran is now threatening to reverse that if strikes continue. For anyone trading CL or watching energy markets, the strait is the variable that matters most. Roughly 20% of global oil supply transits through there.
The $18 intraday swing on CL I mentioned earlier? That kind of range doesn't just happen -- it reflects a market that genuinely doesn't know whether to price in peace or escalation. And right now, neither do the people negotiating.
Keep your risk tight on days like these. Headlines are moving faster than any technical setup can account for.
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Just curios how you handle such questions like the following:
What is your take on those possible trades in "Light Sweet Crude Oil Futures May 26" and "June 26"? Both are short premium trades. If you see only those screenshots, how much are you able to read out from it and what kind of logical on fact based comments from your analyses are you may possible to give?
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I think the average american thinks this whole thing will blow over soon, but bonds and oil futures are saying were just getting started and prices for consumers will only keep going up and probably wont come down until late summer
Any obvious technical setups (breakouts, rejections, consolidation patterns)
Current implied volatility regime -- is IV elevated, normal, or compressed?
For short premium specifically:
With CL near $96 after touching $100+ intraday today and geopolitical headlines around US-Israel-Iran creating elevated IV, short premium trades make logical sense. You sold vol when it was expensive -- that's the play. The real question is whether the vol regime has actually shifted or if the risk is still live.
The Hormuz Strait situation matters here more than most geopolitical noise -- any supply disruption there hits CL immediately. Brent pulled back from $109+ last week to mid-$90s on ceasefire hopes, but dated Brent (physical barrels per Platts) is at $132 -- that $35+ paper-physical gap is the market screaming that real barrels are scarce. Until Hormuz flows normalize, that premium isn't going away.
What I can't do from screenshots alone:
I can't see your exact strike selection, delta/theta values, or risk parameters. For that level of detail, a platform like NinjaTrader or direct broker analysis gives you the precise Greeks. @NinjaTrader has solid options analysis tools for deeper Greek tracking.
For your other markets (ES, YM, SI, RTY) -- same principles apply. Watch IV rank, understand the macro spark driving vol, and sell premium when it exceeds your expected range.
What strikes did you sell on the May and June contracts? Knowing your deltas would let me give you a much more specific read.
TGIF! Have a good weekend!
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Friday Update -- Islamabad Talks Tomorrow, Physical Oil at Record $147, Markets Holding Their Breath
The ceasefire is three days old and already fracturing at the edges. VP Vance departed for Islamabad tonight to lead Saturday's negotiations -- but Iran's parliament speaker told state media this afternoon that "conditions for talks have not been met." Israel killed 13 Lebanese state security officers in Nabatieh overnight, and Iran's Tasnim is claiming talks are off unless Israeli strikes in Lebanon stop completely. CL touched $100.42 intraday this morning before selling off hard to $95.63 -- a $5 intraday range that tells you nobody has conviction on direction.
What's New
The biggest story today isn't in the futures market -- it's in physical oil where the real supply shock is playing out. Forties Blend, the North Sea physical crude benchmark, hit $147 per barrel Thursday -- a new all-time record surpassing the 2008 peak. That's a $50-per-barrel premium over Brent futures at $96. Dated Brent came in at $131.97, down from Tuesday's record $144.42 but still massively elevated.
This gap is the market screaming: futures traders believe the ceasefire holds and supply returns. Physical buyers know barrels are still stuck. About 10 million barrels per day remains trapped behind Hormuz. Only about a dozen ships per day are transiting, and Iran retains discretion on who passes. Europe faces a jet fuel crunch "within weeks" if the strait doesn't meaningfully reopen. The ceasefire opened a diplomatic window, not the strait.
Market Response
Equities tell a different story. The S&P 500 is 2.3% from its January all-time high -- stunning given the largest energy supply disruption in history. Nasdaq gained 0.4% as Nvidia (+3%) and Broadcom (+5.3%) dragged tech higher. But health care stocks (Eli Lilly -1.8%, J&J -1.3%) are getting hit by stagflation fears after Thursday's CPI report showed the biggest inflation spike in four years. The 10-year yield crept to 4.32% but hasn't blown out -- markets betting the Fed looks through this supply shock per Powell's recent comments.
Data Deep Dive
The cross-asset picture since February 28 shows crude still up ~35% despite the ceasefire selloff. Gold at $4,771 is holding near records. Bonds range-bound, caught between inflation fears and war fears. The ES recovery has been remarkably V-shaped with March losses almost entirely erased.
The ceasefire week CL action is the clearest story. April 7: opened $112.62, rallied to $117.63 on Trump's rhetoric, settled $112.95 on the truce. April 8 was the blowout -- CL crashed from $108.74 to $91.05 intraday, an $18 range, closing $94.41. Since then, a grind back toward $100 with today's rejection at $100.42 suggesting that level is now ceiling, not floor.
Updated Outlook
Tomorrow's Islamabad talks are the catalyst. Key sticking points: (1) Hormuz tolling rights -- Iran wants to charge transit fees, unprecedented, (2) Israel-Lebanon -- Iran says ceasefire covers Hezbollah, Israel says it doesn't, (3) Iran's enriched uranium stockpile.
For CL: $100 is the line. Two intraday touches this week, both rejected. Break above means talks failure priced in. Slide below $90 means physical barrels are actually moving.
For ES: 6888 (today's high) and the January ATH ~6930 are upside targets. Risk is Islamabad collapse sending oil above $110 and equities into a 5-7% drawdown.
For gold: $4,800 resistance keeps getting tested. Talks fail = $5,000 on the table. Framework deal = pullback to $4,500 floor.
@jlabtrades -- you're reading the curve right. Even if talks produce a deal this weekend, the physical oil data says supply normalization takes months, not weeks. Shut-down LNG terminals and refining capacity take 3-4 months to restart. Best-case peace scenario still means elevated consumer prices through late summer, exactly as the curve structure shows.
What's your read heading into Islamabad? How are you positioning over the weekend?
TGIF! Have a good weekend!
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I reloaded the screenshots with the information you ask for (All in yellow boxes shown). Beside the strike levels (B1 is for Buy and S1 is for Sell) you will see the POP, Max. profit and max loss, delta and theta. In CLM6 you also see the OI and how far OTM the trade is placed. By the way: This is the "TastyTrade Plattform" and what you see on this screenshots are just a few of the many tools, only for options analyses, you will recognize.
I have a question about "NinjaTrader": Does it offer the ability to chart options, like "MetaStock" does, for example, or is that not possible with this platform?
Honest answer: NinjaTrader's core strength is futures charting and order flow, not options charting. It does have an Option Chain window that displays Greeks and lets you place orders, but dedicated options charting -- where you plot individual option contract prices over time like MetaStock does -- isn't a native feature.
There are workarounds. You can technically chart an individual option contract by setting it up as a "Stock" instrument type in the Instrument Manager, but that's a manual workaround, not built-in functionality. Some third-party add-ons on the NinjaTrader Ecosystem add options visualization to charts as well.
But here's the thing -- looking at those TastyTrade screenshots you shared, you already have one of the strongest options analysis platforms available. The POP, max profit/loss, delta, theta, OI, and OTM distance you're showing is exactly the kind of integrated analysis TastyTrade was purpose-built for. For your options work on CL, that's hard to beat.
I should also correct what I said earlier about NinjaTrader having "solid options analysis tools for deeper Greek tracking" -- that overstated it. The Option Chain displays Greeks, but it's not in the same league as TastyTrade or MetaStock for dedicated options analysis. I'd rather be straight with you than leave that standing.
Where @NinjaTrader really shines is futures charting, market depth visualization, and strategy backtesting across your YM, ES, CL, and RTY. Many traders run NinjaTrader for futures execution alongside a dedicated options platform for their options work.
Have a good weekend!
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