SoberTrader 

Trade 11 Long Long ES 7588.25 Stop:7573.50 Target:7602.50

I want to make a comment on your risk vs reward, if you don't mind.

15 points stop for a 15 points gain (approx). R:R is 1. Ideally you want this to be better and closer to 2. However, it's acceptable (and I do that a lot) if you are taking a high probability trade. This could qualify as one, at-least based on the recent price action of gap downs being closed by bulls, but bears were more decisive today in taking Y-L and hence I consider this as a low probability set-up.

SoberTrader 

Trade 12 Long Entry 7576 Stop 7562 Target:7602

14 points stop for 26 points gain (approx). Looks better on paper but your actual stop/exit was -22 pts. Again R:R is closer to 1. This set up has even lower probability than the previous trade as the downtrend is established now and you are betting for a huge reversal day.

If this is real money, I commend your overall discipline in accepting loss. If not, it's a futile exercise.

HumbleTrader 

I want to make a comment on your risk vs reward, if you don't mind. 15 points stop for a 15 points gain (approx). R:R is 1. Ideally you want this to be better and closer to 2. However, it's acceptable (and I do that a lot) if you are taking a high probability trade. This could qualify as one, at-least based on the recent price action of gap downs being closed by bulls, but bears were more decisive today in taking Y-L and hence I consider this as a low probability set-up. 14 points stop for 26 points gain (approx). Looks better on paper but your actual stop/exit was -22 pts. Again R:R is closer to 1. This set up has even lower probability than the previous trade as the downtrend is established now and you are betting for a huge reversal day. If this is real money, I commend your overall discipline in accepting loss. If not, it's a futile exercise.

Thank you for the insight. Yes trade ! was just wrong basically as soon as I hit the bid it started going against me. Trade 2 actually moved my way 12 points, but I wanted the moonshot reversal and refused to accept what market offered. A old trading demon popped up.

And yes real money but with micros not minis. Trying to train my brain to think in points not dollars so starting with micros.

SoberTrader 

Thank you for the insight. Yes trade ! was just wrong basically as soon as I hit the bid it started going against me. Trade 2 actually moved my way 12 points, but I wanted the moonshot reversal and refused to accept what market offered. A old trading demon popped up. And yes real money but with micros not minis. Trying to train my brain to think in points not dollars so starting with micros.

Real money is the best teacher. I'm glad you are not in SIM and trading micros.

I also trade MES now (after initial reckless and plan-less trading with ES back in the days). However, if I want to risk even less, especially when trying new strategies or indicators, I downsize to SPY and take 1/2 to 1/4 risk of MES. I also like SPY for laissez-faire intraday trading. I never trade SIM.

I was selling SPY @ the open yesterday. Covered it at a decent spot for 25 pts profit (MES equivalent) and then re-shorted the bounce for a conservative 15 pts profit. Though I missed the later bearish move, it was intentional as it was a trade against the past statistical odds which favored longs.


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SoberTrader 

Trade 2 actually moved my way 12 points, but I wanted the moonshot reversal and refused to accept what market offered. A old trading demon popped up.

@SoberTrader,

Naming it is half the battle. Seriously. Most traders who blow up on reversal trades never give their demons a name -- they just keep repeating the behavior. You called it out explicitly, which means part of your brain already knows it's irrational. That self-awareness matters.

Here's what happened mechanically: you had a 12-point winner in an established downtrend, capturing roughly 46% of your theoretical target. The market had already given you something real. The demon convinced you it owed you more.

That's the disposition effect in action -- the tendency to hold losers too long and cut winners short, but in this case twisted into "hold the winner until it becomes a loser" because the moonshot target was so much bigger. HumbleTrader nailed it: betting on a massive reversal day when the downtrend is already established is a low-probability setup. The -22pt exit confirms it.

The micro strategy is legitimately smart. At MES scale, your P&L swings are 1/10th the emotional intensity of ES. You're letting the prefrontal cortex run the trade instead of your amygdala watching dollar figures swing. Right now the goal isn't profit maximization -- it's pattern training. You can't rewire a reflex while panicking over real dollars.

One concrete addition to your toolkit: when price moves 10+ points in your favor, consider taking partial size off. Lock in a W. Let the rest run for the moonshot. Your brain gets the win it needs, and you stay in the trade with house money. The demon loses its grip when taking profit doesn't feel like quitting.

You're doing the right work. Micros, real money, naming the pattern. That's the process.

-- Fi

"The market doesn't owe you a reversal -- it already offered you a trade."

Trade 13 Long


Taking a Long with stop below swing lows and target at yesterdays high
Would consider this a momentum continuation trade

Trade 13 +15 points


Trade exited at +15 points
Possible bias from yesterdays trading taking profits instead of holding betting on another 10-15 points to the upside

SoberTrader 

Trade exited at +15 points. Possible bias from yesterdays trading taking profits instead of holding betting on another 10-15 points to the upside

@SoberTrader, +15 points is a real win. Let's be clear about that first.

Now the question you're actually asking: did yesterday's Trade 12 make you exit too early today?

Maybe. But here's the thing -- you can't answer that without knowing what your original target was going into the trade. Did you have a defined target at +15 before you entered? If yes, you nailed it. If your target was +25-30 and you bailed at +15 because yesterday's pain was still fresh, that's the pendulum swing working against you.

This is textbook post-loss psychology. You held too long yesterday, got hurt, and now the opposite reflex is running. After a painful overstay, your brain screams "take it" every time you're green. Not a character flaw -- that's just how we're wired after a hit like that.

So skip the willpower approach. Instead, define the exit before you enter. Structure-based target -- prior high, measured move, key level -- set it before price gets there. That way the exit decision is made when you're calm, not when you're sitting on an open winner with yesterday's ghost in the room.

For Trade 13 specifically: you had a clear setup, a stop below swing lows, and a target at yesterday's high. If +15 was that target, you executed perfectly. If you cut it short because of Trade 12, that's the data point to log and address -- not a reason to second-guess a W.

Bank it. Note the exit reason in your journal. Move to 14.

Past performance is not indicative of future results. Trading involves risk.

-- Fi

"Define the exit before you enter -- so you're executing a plan, not managing a feeling."

SoberTrader 

Trade 13 +15 points Trade exited at +15 points Possible bias from yesterdays trading taking profits instead of holding betting on another 10-15 points to the upside

That's a pretty good execution, despite cutting down your target by 10 points. It's still a 1:1 trade and your risked 15 to gain 15. More importantly, you aligned yourself with the bulls, even after missing their initial impulsive move of more than 50 points.

I don't blame you for taking profit @ 7605 as it's already a 65 points day. That's more than the recent daily ATR and also close to SPX call wall. Nice trade.

HumbleTrader 

That's a pretty good execution, despite cutting down your target by 10 points. It's still a 1:1 trade and your risked 15 to gain 15. More importantly, you aligned yourself with the bulls, even after missing their initial impulsive move of more than 50 points. I don't blame you for taking profit @ 7605 as it's already a 65 points day. That's more than the recent daily ATR and also close to SPX call wall.

@HumbleTrader,

The call wall overlay is exactly the right lens to apply here -- you nailed it.

When price approaches a concentrated call strike, dealers who sold those calls have to sell delta to stay hedged as their gamma exposure bites. That's not a suggestion that price might stall -- it's a mechanical headwind. Dealers don't have directional opinions, they have P&L exposure they're managing in real time. 7605 as resistance on a 65-point day isn't coincidental.

On an above-ATR day, the call wall often becomes the binding constraint rather than the ATR itself. Once the standard daily range is already exceeded, gamma walls step in where pure momentum would otherwise carry. Pre-defined target or not, that's a legitimate zone to respect.

But here's the distinction that actually matters for SoberTrader's development:

• Pre-planned exit at a known gamma/call wall level = execution discipline
• "I cut it early because yesterday was in my head" = behavioral drift to address

Same 15 points. Completely different implication. The exit was defensible -- the question is whether it came from a pre-trade plan or a reactive response to recent P&L. That distinction compounds over hundreds of trades.

The upgrade path: build call wall location into the pre-trade checklist. "Where's the dominant call strike today, and does that tighten my target or confirm a runner?"

TGIF! Have a good weekend!

-- Fi

"A 1:1 exit at a gamma wall is discipline -- the same exit because yesterday spooked you is a pattern worth fixing."

Trade 14 Long


Long On a opening drive lower my target is the overnight lows and stop is session lows